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I dont understand why ppl feel threatened by working with ppl younger. In a job i had a few years ago my boss was a lot younger than me . So what, she had the qualifications and was good at her job. end of.
Well I’m 37 and am at that stage where I am no longer the youngest or one of the younger workers.
I’ve just started a job where the other 3 in my team are all younger by 10 – 15 years. They have also been there longer but only by a matter of a few months as it’s all a new setup.
It’s me that feels “bullied” to an extent – as the newbie I’m finding my ideas, built from 18 years in the workplace are being dismissed without even being listened to!
Ideas that have been tried and tested before and which would probably enable more efficient and smooth processes.
A couple of them have even written me off for being too old!
Youth may bring with it a fresh pair of eyes, and questioning of the “old ways” etc but there is no substitute for experience and no excuse for obnoxious arrogance by younger employees towards their older colleagues.
i dont condone bullying either, however, i found that where i worked younger ones were coming in and to be honest i felt intimidated as if my ideas were no longer valid etc, now inspite of being older than most of them i considered i did move wiht the times etc but, i think that the younger ones felt they had something to prove and were not shy about getting it any way they could, that said , i dont for a minute think all young workers are the same, im only quoting my experience .
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Don’t give the young a chance. Let them fight for it.If they’re terminally fook-witted why should they get one. A quick sacking is their best option and will provide a salutary lesson. Kids who weren’t suited to employment years ago were soon dismissed so why should things be any different now, in current economic circumstances ?
It’s very difficult trying to gainfully help a lad who’s just been dropped off by his mum still clutching the bowl of cereal she had to make for him.
True story.
@toybulldog wrote:
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Don’t give the young a chance. Let them fight for it.If they’re terminally fook-witted why should they get one. A quick sacking is their best option and will provide a salutary lesson. Kids who weren’t suited to employment years ago were soon dismissed so why should things be any different now, in current economic circumstances ?
It’s very difficult trying to gainfully help a lad who’s just been dropped off by his mum still clutching the bowl of cereal she had to make for him.
True story.
Gosh Toy… I wonder what you are like in real life? Victor Meldrew maybe?
Yes the young should be given a chance. My daughter would like a chance. She wants a Saturday job, and she’s emailed loads of people. Guess what? No replies!! It’s no wonder some young people wonder why the hell they bother, why should they? Adults moan that the young have no manners/respect etc, well what about the ignorant bloody adults who didn’t even afford her the courtesy of a reply?
If no one is prepared to give young people a chance, then how the hell are they supposed to get any experience in life? How are they supposed to get a job?
@bat wrote:
Yes the young should be given a chance. My daughter would like a chance. She wants a Saturday job, and she’s emailed loads of people. Guess what? No replies!! It’s no wonder some young people wonder why the hell they bother, why should they? Adults moan that the young have no manners/respect etc, well what about the ignorant bloody adults who didn’t even afford her the courtesy of a reply?
If no one is prepared to give young people a chance, then how the hell are they supposed to get any experience in life? How are they supposed to get a job?
But it’s always been like that. I remember as a teenager, way before the internet and pc’s, hand-writing letters to 75 local companies and sending them first class mail. I had 3 replies.
Now I always reply to emails and letters enquiring about a job but I have to say that many young people need coaching in how to apply. I’ve had emails written in text speak; emails that just say have you got any jobs going without any information about themselves or what kind of job they’re looking for; emails via the contact form on my web site where they’ve mistyped their email address so I can’t get back to them and so on.
Far worse are the ones that come into the shop looking for a Saturday job. Walking up to the manager in ripped jeans and a dirty t-shirt, chewing gum and taking your ipod earphones out just before you mumble “got any Saturday jobs” isn’t going to impress any potential employer. And don’t dare ask “why do you want to work here?”…a blank look whilst chewing gum like a cow chewing the cud is as good as it gets.
If they can’t communicate with me, how are they going to communicate with my customers? And far from being thick, these are kids who are looking for work in the summer break when they’re home from Uni :shock:
My daughter types perfectly legible emails in English, not text speak. Unlike some youngsters today she can actually spell and speak properly, as appose to grunting and mumbling.
She has already had some work experience, arranged by the school, and did very well.
She’s very eager to get herself a Saturday job so she can earn some money, but when rude adults won’t even reply to her requests for information she gets very demoralised.
I have a nephew in the same situation BAT… he did well in his A levels but decided not to go to University as he didnt want to get into debt. He is intelligent and articulate, however at the moment it appears there are simply not enough jobs for young people to do.
The recession has become a personal tragedy for kids born in the 90s and I fear they will become the forgotten generation as far as meaningful careers are concerned.
He has never been out of work… but in jobs with no real career progression…at the moment he is frying chicken at Nandos restaurant…. nothing wrong with that, but not really a job with a career path
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You advertise for one position and over five hundred replies come in. Everything gets printed off and the best applications, CV’s and hand-written letters will stand out a mile.
These get dumped immediately – they’ll invariably be from older applicants and you’re trying to ‘Give the Young a Chance’ here, so illegal discrimination on the basis of age is absolutely necessary. The hundreds left will be pared down again and again, all in the evening of course because work takes precedence during the day, until you have enough left to start ringing round.
None of the rejected will receive a reply. On the pretext of checking availability for discussion more can be discarded after hearing them on the phone. The final twenty come in for an interview process that will take up two complete days. Fifteen will actually arrive, including the ideal candidate. Two will actually leave their cans of Red Bull on the table. But everyone who turned up gets a call thanking them for their time, with particular attention given to your two stand-bys.
Fast forward two months and, hopefully, you repeat job training with one of the latter because it never worked out with number one anyway. Or you simply give the position to someone new who’s appeared through word-of-mouth and avoid going through the whole rigmarole again.
This is the reality for most businesses and any pleasure taken in giving some lucky soul employment is quite offset by the expense and effort involved, and by the discrimination, dissapointment and rejection handed out.
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