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In the USA, 18 is the legal age of consent.. Anyone who has sex with a girl under 18, and I mean anyone, is guilty of statutory rape.
In the UK, I believe that watching an 18 year old dress up as a 16 year old for a porn film is a criminal offence, though it is perfectly legal to have sex wiht a girl of 16.
Both strike me as bizarre. We’re talking of a legal age, not an actual age. Many kids have had sex by the time they’re 13, and many don’t have sex until after they’re 22. The legal age is actually totally arbitrary. 18, 16, doesn’t matter. Some mature earlier than others. You have to deal with things on a case-by-case basis. know that the cops treat it all with a careful hand, though an older person with an underage person is treated severely.
Mooosey, what penalty should there be for people who have sex below 18? We’re talking about a legal age – that means a legal sanction is needed.
My partner is 15yrs older than me and we been together over 20yrs. What next Mizzy no mixed race relationships?
Well said, somer.
When I was a boy and teenager, people took exactly the same approach to blacks. They were seen as sexually threatening among a number of things, and I’m sure grampa warned his little kiddies that if they brought the wrong coloured guy home, he’d be waiting with a brickbat to smash the black guy’s brains out. Mumsy was also ready to stab the black guy “in his cock”.
If you said mixed-race relations were fine, I know that you werten’t left alone. You were accused of being a ‘N-word@ lover, and it was made clear that you were totally disgusting and beyond the pale.
Times have changed, but that was the strongly-held feeling of the time. And it was carried into practice en masse in some places – eg London’s Notting Hill and Nottingham.
Race discrimination – age discrimination. What unites them? People are seen as a group, not as individuals. If you disagreed with the prejudice, you were labelled disgusting and beyond the pale.
I say judge according to the individual case.
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” The problem of deception in online chat is not a problem in this discussion because informed consent is just not there. You have no clue as to who you’re talking to online, and can easily be fooled by a clever chatter. This isn’t just middle-aged or old men. A yung guy can claim to be a marine with a lot of years of active service duty, and can easily fool a young girl ” I really don’t know what you mean apart from anyone can be fooled which is obvious. My point was referring to Mizzy’s post about Older men perving on Young girls. Not about consent at that point.
This is what I’m talking about.
However, I do have an issue with middle aged men and older, chatting up young women online, pretending they are younger, lying, talking dirty to get their rocks off, lets be honest 90% of this behaviour is online as no young woman who has all her marbles would look twice at granddad in real life, most are more than likely older than their Father.
Scep u make good points…
In a world such as our’s today, who knows what a golden rule should be for anything anymore.
Consent issues, religious beliefs, race, culture, maturity so forth..
It as I agree should be up to individuals desires. We are unique so it has been said, so it has been written, but sadly importance seems to be what the trend may be. People conform into any society so accepted today and not want the suffering of being so different..as others feel they are.. When some one goes out of the box, not accepted and treated poorly, this when conflict seem to be challenged….things more noticed…
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Nope sorry still don’t see your point. I said I have a problem with old men pretending to be young and talking dirty to young girls online yes ? And I did not say it is only old men who lied online. I did say anyone can be fooled obviously. So I still don’t get what point you are trying to make to me by reminding me of what I’ve said which I already know . I never mentioned punishments for people I think you’ll find that was someone else. I did say that different circumstances should be treated differently eg; the two 16 yr olds. I did say that I don’t think the legal age should be lowered as I think its better to be safe than sorry. What if you get a vulnerable young woman groomed into believing she is in love and used by an older man but he is not breaking the law because the age of consent has been lowered ? Give them a fighting chance surely. I have to ask myself what person would want the age limit to be lowered ? what adult man wants sex with a child ? and 14 is a child… plaster on high heels and lipstick its still a child. Yes its obviously impossible to have a blanket law on this , one size does not fit all, of course each case should be decided individually…….. good luck with that, it wont and cant happen due to time, money etc etc …. so a baseline age of consent maybe pretty useless in the greater scheme of things but its a starting point.
Absolutely, Linda.
It’s to do with parenting as much as individual choice.
You may have a prejudice against old people, or against black people.
Your (grown) child may not!
I know that it’s not true that younger women are not attracted to older men, and that it’s not just to do with money, status, security that women will go for an older man. I could give examples from people I know, but it’s not needed.
You might be convinced that no young woman can be attracted to a man much older than her; or that your son can be attracted to a much older woman; but that’s only because you yourself wouldn’t be attracted to such a person.
If you don’t like your (grown) child’s choice of partner, fair enough. You may be right.
But it’s not your partner. It’s your child’s. If it’s a mistake, then they will make the mistake. All you can do is provide the safety net, and a friendly word of advice. If you’re wrong, then the child has probably made the right choice. If you put your foot down, then the child will turn against you and may make a bad choice just to assert their independence of you.
Let them breathe. It’s their life, not yours. They were given you on loan, not for you to own.
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I can assure you my child is very independent, clever and has a kind and thoughtful nature and has never brought me any serious issues. I’m very proud of him and trust his judgement in what partners he chooses, thanks……
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Here we go again. You contribute to a post about age gaps and the age of consent and get parenting lectures …..
I’m done.
Nope sorry still don’t see your point. I said I have a problem with old men pretending to be young and talking dirty to young girls online yes ? And I did not say it is only old men who lied online. I did say anyone can be fooled obviously. So I still don’t get what point you are trying to make to me by reminding me of what I’ve said which I already know . I never mentioned punishments for people I think you’ll find that was someone else. I did say that different circumstances should be treated differently eg; the two 16 yr olds. I did say that I don’t think the legal age should be lowered as I think its better to be safe than sorry. What if you get a vulnerable young woman groomed into believing she is in love and used by an older man but he is not breaking the law because the age of consent has been lowered ? Give them a fighting chance surely. I have to ask myself what person would want the age limit to be lowered ? what adult man wants sex with a child ? and 14 is a child… plaster on high heels and lipstick its still a child. Yes its obviously impossible to have a blanket law on this , one size does not fit all, of course each case should be decided individually…….. good luck with that, it wont and cant happen due to time, money etc etc …. so a baseline age of consent maybe pretty useless in the greater scheme of things but its a starting point.
It’s not worth debating the point I’m making beyond a certain time. You’ll just have to not get it.
I have no idea what the minimum age should be, though there should certainly be a minimum age. 18 seems too high to me, but why not 24? many people in their early 20s are actually like children, and their first date is a major car crash about to happen, with devastating consequences for the rest of their life.
Each case is decided individually in practice. It’s the most outrageous cases whihc tend to go to the law. Again I know this to be true. It’s not the legal age, but the actual age which counts. You can make the legal age 24, and a strong case can be made for it being 24 or even higher, but it’s not going to stop people under 24 having sex with each other.
It’s when cases are decided without any reference to the circumstances that natural justice is broken.
btw the people who want the age of consent lowered see 15 as the right legal age. I have no opinion on this. A King of England (Richard II) married a 7-year old. It was not regarded as outrageous. Juliet of Romeo fame was 13, I think (?), the same age as her mother when she was married. It does change according to social standards. 7 is a bit young for anyone, though, I do admit. Even so the marriage worked, King Richard was very respectful and Isabella very much looked forward to her husvband’s visits.
But I’m in favour of a legal age to be higher than puberty, preferably 24.
Here we go again. You contribute to a post about age gaps and the age of consent and get parenting lectures ….. I’m done.
And parenting is what a lot of this is about.
You can’t control debate, mooosey. Just ignore points and people (such as myself) that annoy you. It is possible
And parenting is what a lot of this is about.
It’s not just about parenting though is it. Or are you suggesting high rates of ‘promiscuity’ and underage pregnancies compared to the rest of Europe is merely because of shit parenting?
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