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With Spain going out our half of the table is looking good
It’s not a win when you rely on all the good opposition going out…..that’s not even a competition…..that’s just sheer desperation…
You contradict yourself, you say class is permanent yet clearly not as we have seen from germany/Italy
You misinterpret me. I am not saying class will win EVERY time. I am saying it’s a very beneficial factor to consider when trying to determine winners of such events. That’s what the bookies were going on a year or two ago when setting the odds for this years World Cup, before they knew how current form and qualification would affect it. Hence Germany, Spain, Italy, Brazil, Argentina all being amongst the bookies favourites and expected winners.
what horse racing offspring has got to do with it, I’ve no idea
I was using it as an example of class, which we are discussing, as I assumed you would accept
Class is associated with pedigree. Horse Racing being a very good example. Class and form can and do often go hand in hand.
and pedigree being everything in top group Horse Racing.
Theres an old adage in football, you are only as good as your last match
Yes, I accept that. There’s also an old adage, Form is temporary, Class is permanent. Both good sayings.
Yet, Man City (or Utd) who are on a poor run of form, are playing Swindon who are on a very good run of form, in the FA Cup Final on Saturday. Who are you putting your shillings on? Who are the bookies odds on favourites?
Class will win that game in my opinion, not your last match result, or current form.
this class debate is irrelevant to who wins a football match , ask Germany.
In that case Korea should beat them time and time again?
Ok I wll ask ask Germany. They have replied: We had bad form, please can we have 10 rematches, we will win 9 of them. Ever heard of the one in ten?
If you think villa are” bouncing back” you don’t watch much football with the club owing millions to the tax man having to sell their entire team- hardly bouncing back.
You have me there. My mistake. I mistakenly thought Villa had just been promoted back to Premier, which is why I wrote “bouncing back” it was Fulham instead. They weren’t far off, if my theory is right, they’ll do it next season.
Arguing class in a game of booting a ball about is melodramatic ..its a simple sport, the ” classier ” clubs afford better players so it boils down to if the squad is good enough or not.
It boils down to you have a rich elite of about 5 (or less) classy clubs who will dominate and win 9 of 10 of the major trophies. Form will dip, up and down. If City lose form, one or two of the others will find it. If Utd lose form one of the others will find it.
Other teams do not have the class to figure or disrupt this pattern. Leicester had very good form for a few months, alas they lacked the class (resources) to sustain it.
I don’t know what you are on about tbh.. the teams you mention win because they are richer/ bigger/ have better players. If you regard that akin to the queen having class fair enough.
Fulham are a small club operating on less than 20 k crowds and villa are heading for a winding up order more likely heading to league one than promotion. Lets see how ” class” gets on with their entire first team up for sale..you can get 30-1 on villa next season so bookies don’t share your confidence. Il look forward to them playing that other classy team sunderland who finished rock bottom last season and are now in league one.
Did you watch the class of spain get beat by Russia earlier?
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To summarise:
Form is temporary, Leicester, Iceland, South Korea.
Class is permanent. Liverpool, ManUtd, Brazil, Barcelona.
Wrong again, Ajax for eg dominated European football in the early 70s with dutch clubs winning 4 consecutive European cups- these days the dutch league is extremely weak. This class you talk of is transient going round in cycles with nothing permanent.
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Long live Ruud Gullitt! legend of Dutch football
While i’m at it…long live Briggitte Nielson and Dolph Lundgren…..2 great legends….LMAO
idk if Barcelona is some Spanish team is in the world cup, as i dont watch tinder, but i bet they win……
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I don’t know what you are on about tbh.. the teams you mention win because they are richer/ bigger/ have better players
Class in this context, football, is determined by many factors. It is absolutely not determined by one or two factors alone.
Some of the obvious and significant factors will be the clubs history, size, stadium, location, successes, riches, financial clout, ownership, local class level, regional class level, national class level, continental class level, world class level, quality of players it can attract, and many many more factors. There’s a dozen factors. We could make a checklist and award points on each of the 12+ factors and award an overall class ranking. Of course its not quite that simple, but its a start as you say you don’t get it.
A form ranking would be done in a similar way, awarding pts for the last 5 matches or so. (Horse Racing). I speculate the teams (horses) with the overall higher rating will be the classiest, thus the “best” and more successful.
I’m sure the JC All Star 11 are a very classy act in the F3 Premier League 2018. I’m not sure of their World Class ranking though. Checklist.
If you regard that akin to the queen having class fair enough.
No I made no such comparison. Her Majesty would come out well in the above checklist points scoring with an impressive ranking. Better than mine. I’m only upper middle class :)
Fulham are a small club
And quite a classy club too. Too classy for the Championship. They have some high scores in their class ranking, location in particular, which will come wealth. George Best and Bobby Moore have played for Fulham.
As for Villa, you have me on that one. But don’t be surprised if they bounce back as the bigger clubs tend to. They might get lucky with an Abramovich type. Newcastle have bounced back. Classy clubs can attract a decent manager to save them should they get into trouble with relegation, or need promotion.
Ajax for eg dominated European football in the early 70s with dutch clubs winning 4 consecutive European cups
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Well they didn’t have enough class to remain at the top. Their form dipped. After 50 years in the EuroClass doldrums, their class has dipped, especially in the European / continental class. Within the context of Dutch football, I can’t think of a classier outfit than Ajax, can you?
This class you talk of is transient going round in cycles with nothing permanent.
Not quite. Class is stable, it moves very slowly, like evolution. Maybe needs generations.
A heavyweight can only fight another heavyweight. In boxing we have the term, “Punching above your weight” (Class)
Form fluctuates. Dips up and down. Can change in the bat of an eyelid.
Your star defender / keeper and captain scores an own goal, in a second. Your form could crumble after that. Or take weeks to get back on track. If that were Barcelona, their class will remain until their form returns.
Did you watch the class of spain get beat by Russia earlier?
LoL How much did you lose on them?
Russia’s temporary form is comparable to Spain’s permanent class at present.
Your obsession with “class” is bizarre along with your implication of location having a bearing on the likely success of a club. Im sure that one of the worlds biggest clubs Manchester United are enjoying their life in the glamour puss classy area a stones throw from the uk version of Hollywood … Salford Greater Manchester. All players swigging cheap cider joined by frank from shameless no doubt to enhance ” class”.
If you think Fulham are ” too classy” for the championship and bigger than clubs such as former English champions Leeds United, Sheff wed, Notts forest with tiny crowds and a trophy cabinet holding their most prestigious trophy – ” The London challenge cup ” won over 60 years ago , I’d suggest going back to talking politics as football isn’t your area of expertise clearly.
The only thing that matters is financial clout to pay players of a certain ability to play for that respective club , which is why the current English champions are Manchester city owned by a billionaire dirty arab finishing above their classier neighbours lurking on the border of “affluent Salford”.
Your obsession with “class” is bizarre along with your implication of location having a bearing on the likely success of a club.
Your ignorance of the Geo-Socio-Economic determinants on Sport, Sport Science, and Football is also bizarre and quite remarkable. I am surprised and disappointed that you can’t see the importance or relevance of Location on football. I am not going to patronise you. Google if you need more. There’s much study online, I can refer you to stuff if you want me to.
If you can’t see the importance and relevence of class and location in football, it’s not my job to teach you. With all respect, being a Wolves fan from Salford, it is understandable.
You seem hell bent on ripping my points to bits, rather than accepting class is equally as important as form in football. You’ve had your turn there. I haven’t touch yours, yet. You are ignoring my questions, I am answering all of yours, or trying to.
So let’s look at your point. Which is? class is nothing, your only as good as your last match, form is everything?
Well this question you conveniently ignored will counter your argument, which is probably why you ignored it.
Man City (or Utd) who are on a miserably poor run of form, are playing Swindon who are on a very good run of form, in the FA Cup Final on Saturday. Who are you putting your shillings on? Who are the bookies odds on favourites?
Class will win that match 9 out of 10 times, not form, and the Cup is going to Manchester. If Swindon get hammered 6-0 no-one will be too surprised.Class and form go hand in hand. The more of both the better it gets.
If you think Fulham are bigger than clubs such as former English champions Leeds United, Sheff wed, Notts forest, football isn’t your area of expertise clearly.
Please don’t twist my words. (or I’ll twist yours). No I don’t think that for one moment. I also have stated Forest, Leeds, Villa, lets include SheffWeds too, are too Classy for their current division, and how Class will prevail.
If you can infer that I have suggested Fulham are bigger than those clubs, or even suggest that I can infer that from what I have written. it’s time to end this x
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