Fox Hunting?

@tiggy wrote:

@holisticjo wrote:

@tiggy wrote:

You come from a misplaced idea that Foxes need to be controlled. I don’t agree.

Killing foxes has no lasting results. Foxes are territorial animals – if one fox is killed another soon moves into its place from a surrounding area. Foxes also control their own population.

I do not think that Foxes need to be controlled, therefore I have no reason to put forward an alternative to Fox Hunting.

I agree why should we determine which animals should live or die, why should we think that we are the supperior being and need to control everything. Unfortunately we live in a so called civilised society whereby our food is mass produced and for that reason certain wildlife need to be culled, according to farmers. Badgers are a big issue lately as they allegedly carry TB and pass it to cattle. I disagree that foxes would be more tempted by rats or rabbits, foxes will take anything if its an easy meal, my chickens for one thing. I dont mind too much though, since its probably 10 a year and it could be worse I suppose, we choose not to cull foxes round us, the dogs tend to keep them at bay, the foxes just steer clear, unless we go out thats when they strike. We just live with them. My argument is that anti fox hunting people mostly dont have the foxes interests at heart they use them as an excuse for prejudice against so called ‘toffs’. Our food chain is a right mess and is more cruel than most could imagine, but thats ok because we dont see it we see what the government want us to see. If fox hunting went on behind closed doors nobody apart from genuine animal lovers would give a damn.

Glad you agree.

My interest is with the Fox however, which has a right to survive just as much as we do, I do not have the “Townie” ideology. While I have no problem with “toffs” as you call them, I abhor their excuses to hunt and kill.

As far as other livestock is concerned, Cows, Pigs, Sheep etc.. we kill them for food, that cannot be said about a Fox.

No I dont think everyone who is against hunting has the townie ideology, that I understand, but again as I stated before and something which everyone has bypassed is the animal welfare within our food chain is more babaric than hunting. Do the animals in question have as much right to survive as us? Or not because we have selectively bred them?

The question of barbarity regarding the keeping and slaughter of animals for our consumption wasn’t the question I addressed, rather do I agree with Fox Hunting or not.

I agree with keeping cattle etc for consumption as this meets a basic need, ie: Nutrition

We are hunters by nature, we dont need factory farming to survive, whats wrong with rabbits and game? Yet again my point is missed the methods and cruelty inflicted on our meat while it is still alive is awful, its not about meeting needs it a matter of welfare, if people look after there stock fair enough but most of it falls at the hand of an incompantent at some point. Not being stunned properly so it just bleeds to death, growth hormones so animals can barely carry their own body weight on their young limbs, carcuses hanging without skin while a pulse is still present. We eat this but it is behind closed doors, so we dont think about it. Yes I asked for opinions on fox hunting and Im giving mine, it is a needle in a hay stack in relation to animal cruelty in this country and the majority of cruelty goes on in our food chain but we are blind and deaf to that!!!!

@tiggy wrote:

@holisticjo wrote:

@tiggy wrote:

@holisticjo wrote:

@tiggy wrote:

You come from a misplaced idea that Foxes need to be controlled. I don’t agree.

Killing foxes has no lasting results. Foxes are territorial animals – if one fox is killed another soon moves into its place from a surrounding area. Foxes also control their own population.

I do not think that Foxes need to be controlled, therefore I have no reason to put forward an alternative to Fox Hunting.

I agree why should we determine which animals should live or die, why should we think that we are the supperior being and need to control everything. Unfortunately we live in a so called civilised society whereby our food is mass produced and for that reason certain wildlife need to be culled, according to farmers. Badgers are a big issue lately as they allegedly carry TB and pass it to cattle. I disagree that foxes would be more tempted by rats or rabbits, foxes will take anything if its an easy meal, my chickens for one thing. I dont mind too much though, since its probably 10 a year and it could be worse I suppose, we choose not to cull foxes round us, the dogs tend to keep them at bay, the foxes just steer clear, unless we go out thats when they strike. We just live with them. My argument is that anti fox hunting people mostly dont have the foxes interests at heart they use them as an excuse for prejudice against so called ‘toffs’. Our food chain is a right mess and is more cruel than most could imagine, but thats ok because we dont see it we see what the government want us to see. If fox hunting went on behind closed doors nobody apart from genuine animal lovers would give a damn.

Glad you agree.

My interest is with the Fox however, which has a right to survive just as much as we do, I do not have the “Townie” ideology. While I have no problem with “toffs” as you call them, I abhor their excuses to hunt and kill.

As far as other livestock is concerned, Cows, Pigs, Sheep etc.. we kill them for food, that cannot be said about a Fox.

No I dont think everyone who is against hunting has the townie ideology, that I understand, but again as I stated before and something which everyone has bypassed is the animal welfare within our food chain is more babaric than hunting. Do the animals in question have as much right to survive as us? Or not because we have selectively bred them?

The question of barbarity regarding the keeping and slaughter of animals for our consumption wasn’t the question I addressed, rather do I agree with Fox Hunting or not.

I agree with keeping cattle etc for consumption as this meets a basic need, ie: Nutrition

We are hunters by nature, we dont need factory farming to survive, whats wrong with rabbits and game? Yet again my point is missed the methods and cruelty inflicted on our meat while it is still alive is awful, its not about meeting needs it a matter of welfare, if people look after there stock fair enough but most of it falls at the hand of an incompantent at some point. Not being stunned properly so it just bleeds to death, growth hormones so animals can barely carry their own body weight on their young limbs, carcuses hanging without skin while a pulse is still present. We eat this but it is behind closed doors, so we dont think about it. Yes I asked for opinions on fox hunting and Im giving mine, it is a needle in a hay stack in relation to animal cruelty in this country and the majority of cruelty goes on in our food chain but we are blind and deaf to that!!!!

Rabbits and other game, ie: Pheasants, are hunted, not by packs of dogs, closely followed by people on Horseback, but usually by single or sometimes small groups of hunters. The kill they make is taken back to be consumed by themselves, or sometimes, taken to butchers to be sold on.

Good. Thats how it should be hunted(for a valid reason), not farmed.