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Sorry forgot to mention what my phase was, I dont know where my prorities are on earth!! I love animals so shouldnt eat meat or wear leather or use products tested on animals or drive a car because of the environment or wear clothes or use leather equipment for my horses or feed my dogs and cats on rubbish pet food or live in a house. I guess the only way to be totally kind to animals and the environment is to live naked in the woods and live on lifes offerings! Its that extreme to be devoted to your morals surely? So if I dont do those things am I a hypocrit?
gee I guess Im just another loser then!!!! I never used to think this much until I became a turkey murderer!! :?
@rubyred wrote:
No double standards here . Im against purely for the blood lust. and to top it all im Scottish,and have saw these “huntsmen” go off in search of their prey.I have witnessed the fanfares,the gut wrenching general excitement these things go hand in hand with.I have saw the grouse chasers.the deer-hunters,the tree planters.come up year after year,a yearly jolly jape to Scotland,to hunt and kill..Their 4×4’s,shaking in excitement,little aubrey and lady stuck up-coo,in the back. It offends me,and yes,Im working class and proud too.
and yes i DO realise certain things have to be culled.in a HUMANE way.Not to satisfy the ilk of Prince Charles and his brood.Most deers that are shot,are out foraging to feed their young,leaving young deer to perish.Whatever those jolly types “bag” is usually ripped apart,the blood rubbed on the younger members of the “hunts” head,their heads stuffed and mounted.
And yes i eat meat,and YES i beleive farming methods should be investigated.Unfortunatly not many people canafford to eat organic,free range etc,,and i shudder to think what goes into certain products of ready made meals !so forgive,what appears to be double standards,as i slip into leather shoes and wear lanolin based cosmetics.
my argument is political..if not apathetic (wry smile) .
hope they choke on their next Stirrup cup..
Why dont politics come into your food chain, it is far worse and far more barbaric than anything else so why do you bypass it surely it is still politics? It appears that you are slating the class of people hunting which would suggest that you dont have animals best interests at heart but more dislike the type of person that you assume goes hunting?
@rubyred wrote:
No double standards here . Im against purely for the blood lust. and to top it all im Scottish,and have saw these “huntsmen” go off in search of their prey.I have witnessed the fanfares,the gut wrenching general excitement these things go hand in hand with.I have saw the grouse chasers.the deer-hunters,the tree planters.come up year after year,a yearly jolly jape to Scotland,to hunt and kill..Their 4×4’s,shaking in excitement,little aubrey and lady stuck up-coo,in the back. It offends me,and yes,Im working class and proud too.
and yes i DO realise certain things have to be culled.in a HUMANE way.Not to satisfy the ilk of Prince Charles and his brood.Most deers that are shot,are out foraging to feed their young,leaving young deer to perish.Whatever those jolly types “bag” is usually ripped apart,the blood rubbed on the younger members of the “hunts” head,their heads stuffed and mounted.
And yes i eat meat,and YES i beleive farming methods should be investigated.Unfortunatly not many people canafford to eat organic,free range etc,,and i shudder to think what goes into certain products of ready made meals !so forgive,what appears to be double standards,as i slip into leather shoes and wear lanolin based cosmetics.
my argument is political..if not apathetic (wry smile) .
hope they choke on their next Stirrup cup..
i agree with the younger members of the hunt havin their heads stuffed an mounted rubes…………..or were you referring to the foxes?…………………. :- O:)
My opinion is that fox hunting as a sport or leisure pastime is wrong.
If fox numbers need to be controlled, then it should be done by professional ‘huntsmen’, i.e. trained tracker-marksmen, as is done in parts of Wales.
Pro-hunting people claim that hunting isn’t cruel but that is clearly untrue, as anyone with any common sense knows.
Pro-hunting people also claim that they’re doing a necessary pest control job.
That is rubbish because hunting has traditionally been a pastime mainly for the landed gentry. If hunting was indeed a mere ‘job’, then it would have been beneath their social status, they’d have employed people to do it for them.Long live the ban!
Again – another thread taken over by liberal attitudes
Have none of you ever seen big cats stalking and chasing their prey – bringing it down – snapping it’s neck then severing it’s neck
It’s nature it happens
You’re all thinking of a fox as a cuddly little Basil Brush puppet
Foxes cause all sorts of serious damage – look at what’s left of a hen coop after a fox has ravaged it
You might think differently if a fox attacks the family pet
Theres nothing wrong with the hunt – it’s a great tradition – it keeps thousands in employ
As usual it is 95% of “townies” that are against hunting – people who wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a fox and a red squirrel !!!
The difference between a lion chasing its prey and catching it, is that a Lion has to do that to survive. A hunting dog does not have to chase a fox and rip it to pieces in order to survive. The dog is trained, the only animal acting on pure instinct is the Lion. I don’t like the damage foxes do either but in the 21st century you would have thought someone could come up with a far better solution don’t you?!! :wink:
@rubyred wrote:
of COURSE politics come into it,,didnt i JUST say that the normal jo and joanne on the street cant afford to buy organic and free range etc..I wasnt argueing with you,i was more in agreement with ya ! the first question was IF we agreed or didnt,,I gave My opinion!!
Why should affording organic come into it? If you are concerned about animal welfare the best thing to do is give up meat, or as I do take fallen stock like pheasants thats free!! You mentioned young deer perishing but dismiss everything I told you about what goes on in our food chain, it is the same if not worse, so that in my opinion is double standards. Its ok for a cow to be hanging upsidedown, skinned still with a pulse but it isnt ok for an animal to be ripped apart by hounds? I just dont get where people get their ideas from, if animal welfare really was the reason for fox hunting being band then why dont people take more consideration over their own food??
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
My opinion is that fox hunting as a sport or leisure pastime is wrong.
If fox numbers need to be controlled, then it should be done by professional ‘huntsmen’, i.e. trained tracker-marksmen, as is done in parts of Wales.
Pro-hunting people claim that hunting isn’t cruel but that is clearly untrue, as anyone with any common sense knows.
Pro-hunting people also claim that they’re doing a necessary pest control job.
That is rubbish because hunting has traditionally been a pastime mainly for the landed gentry. If hunting was indeed a mere ‘job’, then it would have been beneath their social status, they’d have employed people to do it for them.Long live the ban!
My point is that our food chain standards are more cruel and barbaric than fox hunting, so why do people protest against one but not the other and it appears that nobody can answer my question?
@rubyred wrote:
because the question was what we THOUGHT of fox hunting !!!! I, like many others GAVE an opinion and now YOU attempt to twist it.
go salve yer concscience elsewhere turkey woman :)
How on earth could I twist your opinion?? I ask anyone who gives an opinion to back it up and it would appear that you cant you dont answer my questions but instead say I twist your opinion, in essence you are masking your ability to debait this issue because really you dont give a damn about animals or foxes you just have opinions about the ‘types of people’ who take part in country pursuits. You have also attacked me by mentioning a very personal issue that I wanted to share with people about my turkeys, it would seem very much as I guessed in the first place that anti’s have double standards.
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