fox hunting

Btw pete u keep quoting MAFF which are nothing to do with the UK havent been for a few years its DEFRA, just saying cos either your figures are some out of date or actually apply to different countries to the UK

How can you base a debate with figures that are most likely 10 years out of date, things change, and no they dont nip the back of the neck they grab the neck/throat and shake vigorously breaking the neck.

Their natural predatory aim is to grab the neck and kill it yes for their own safety they want to deal with it as soon as possible to eliminate the chance of themselves being bitten pretty much the same as a fox does to a rabbit, mouse, lamb or chicken, but yes they will initially grab the first thing they can to bring it down of course, the same as for example a lion would a wild buffalo but their aim is to reach the throat and get the kill over with as quick as possible, its the natural way, man doesnt and cant change that, no many how many videos the LACS can manage to video while causing the unatural predation by hounds by confusing them with their shouting and yes pete i have seen it many times and yes its what they do, im not saying its pretty all death isnt pretty even the fox killing a wee mouse isnt pretty but it happens.
And yes its illegal im not debating that fact what i am debating is that what you think you see via these appalling and ridiculous videos isnt the full story and the emotional tripe they have fed over the years to convince people how appalling it is also isnt all true. As i have also said believe it or believe it not the facts that the fox itself is now suffering in ways it didnt use to because of the ban is just as wrong as hunting. I honestly think the problem with hunting is because they have followers on horses which makes it the sport it is, and yes i agree some of them are a right bunch of “money’d kn obs” but that sport / fun of riding can be continued with scent hunts without actually chasing wild foxes, but that wont solve the issue in the most natural way of the fact, though beautiful creatures, they do carry disease they do kill livestock and they do need managing and the way farmers are and will be forced to go about this in the future randomly killing any animal rather than the ones that actually are better off dispensed of for the species itself will do harm to the fox as a species as well as cause man problems.

So basically pete you are calling me and my own eyes a liar ?
how can you say its not true, when i have just stated i have seen it with my own eyes countless times.
At the end of the day fox are not game they are classified as vermin, beautiful they may be but annoying vermin they are. Even the lovey townies get sick of them and just pay to have them shot or trapped, which is on its own pointless as other will just move in.
I saw a programme abt This guy on tele one night. Foxes are a nuisance even out of the rural areas, but the governments dont and wont do anything about them, which is fine, but this man on his own in a week kills more than a hunt will in a couple of months and they are killing randomly, young and fit foxes as well as old and infirm, all i am saying is fox numbers are suffering certainly in rural areas since the hunting ban and though it may seem cruel it does actually help the fox and farmers are satisfied they are rid of the “problem “fox. Watching a domestic cat catch and play with a mouse breaking every bone in its tiny body before it dies is cruel but its life and death, or maybe we should ban cat hunting too, maybe declaw them de tooth them to protect lil mickey mouse.

Cats have no choice they aren’t self aware they dont know better

Fox hunting with dogs accounted for around 6 – 10% of foxes killed annually. The majority are either shot (more than 200,000 annually) or are killed on the road.

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