fox hunting

Oh and hounds dont know better either they are doing what is natural ok u might argue a man takes them out there but the chasing and killing is what is natural, and they aim to kill naturally by getting the kill over asap, not playing with their prey. I know if it was me id rather be killed pretty quickly rather than be battered and broken for hours on end and them left to die in agony, before maybe being eaten. But anyway thats somthing else again, time i was in bed, night x

@pete wrote:

The hunt kills very few because it’s cheaper to shoot them than to own a horse and a pack of dogs costs far less, it is not natural to hunt with dogs. Fox numbers are still stable and are expected to remain stable. Death from disease although not nice is natural, we kill because we can and no one and nothing can stop of if its what we want to do. Control is an excuse, nothing more

Pete im sorry but “you what?” the hunt kills very few cos its cheaper too shoot them ?? the hunt kills very few because the hounds cant bloody catch em its as simple as that, yes to a degree its always been an excuse and alot of the hunt riders esp the kids are not there for the blood but for the fun of the ride, i dont deny that, … but … it is natural for dogs to hunt and infact if you go back to caveman days they would follow animals that caught prey to try and chase the wolves for example away and have the kill themselves so in a way u could say is a natural thing for man to do in that respect. but even if it isnt natural to follow, it is still natural for the dog to hunt. Fox numbers are still stable yes but they have fallen and the increase in disease in them and domestic diseases related to foxes HAS risen. Sarcoptic Mange is a real problem in domestic dogs in the last couple of years and terrible to see and a nightmare to treat causing alot of misery and seeing a fox with mange is actually heartbreaking as usually by the time they are out being seen with it they are really bad with it and it really is an horrendous thing to see. And yes we kill because we can, every time we eat meat or fish we have even if indirectly killed. And i repeat shooting isnt the best answer for the fox species. If we just left them and didnt hunt or shoot or trap them they would actually manage and control themselves usually from disease but the disease they carry can cause us problems that we dont really want or need.

not natural for dogs to hunt ???………..of corse it is why do you think jack russles are used for ratting ?……why do you think certain dogs are used in badger baiting ? ……attack dogs used in the armed forces?……..even a sniffer dog to a degree is hunting !……….they may not always attack or kill but all dogs are capable of hunting the only thing that stops them is the relationship they have with there owner.

@panda12 wrote:

Poli

You think fox hunting kills the old and infim – natural selection?
yes it does
Read up on “cubbing” poli – find out what that involves and how the hunt members circle round a wooded area known to contain fox cubs as young as a few months old. The hounds are sent in to kill them and the cubs have no chance of escape as the hunt followers drive and frighten them back into the wooded area by banging their saddles and shouting.
i dont need to read up on cubbing i have been cubbing and i dont like it nor have i once advocated it, but that is cubbing not fox hunting its two entirely different things
You think it still doesn’t happen post ban? Read the Horse and Hound hunt forum.

And you think digging out a fox that has gone to ground and chucking it to the hounds alive to be ripped apart is controlling the old and infirm? Natural selection is it? Smacks of sheer bloodlust to me.

i think if you have read my posts you will see that i also dont agree with this part of hunting
It’s deplorable and sick and like cubbing and hunting in general, is no “sport” at all.

And you really want to find out about deer and stag hunting. Is it really necessary to chase an animal like a deer or stag across miles of countryside to then shoot it? Why not just shoot it on sight and forget about the chase?
i went stag hunting once and dont really want to find out about it , no, i merely said i dontknow enough about it to comment on it

The overriding factor about hunting with hounds is – it is all down to blood lust. The hunt followers want the thrill of the chase followed by the death. There is no other justification for them wanting the ban repealed. It has nothing to do with conservation at all.

i agree that applies to some yes, but not all and yes it does help the conservation of a fox and indeed the countryside as a whole

If animal numbers need to be controlled then use trained, paid marksmen who can do it with a clean, quick and humane kill with a quota on finding the old and infirm and diseased without all the bloodlust and socialising involved in hunting with hounds. And ban farmers and any other gun toting idiot from roaming the countryside looking to shoot anything that moves.
i am all for a trained marksman that can guarantee a clean shot and death of the old and infirm, how you go about this i would love to know, because no one has managed it yet, whereas a hunt virtually ensures this unless a very unlucky fox gets suprised which is exceptionally rare

For God’s sake, this is the 21st century and hunting with hounds belongs in a bygone age and those that condone it are, IMHO, born without any compassion or humility towards other sentient creatures.

I’m a big believer in “do unto others as you would have done unto you” – so you pro hunt people – if you had to choose a way to die, would you prefer a quick, death by a trained marksman or would you like to run and run and run for miles with no where to hide until you give up exhausted and are ripped to pieces by a pack of dogs being cheered on by a merciless bunch of inhumane creatures?

Anyone that has infact been hunting will know that most deaths of a fox doesnt involve running and running for miles the runs that are for miles tend to be the young foxes who merely run a while lose the hounds the hounds re pick up the scent and so on the fox is way in front of the hounds and as i have stated have even been seen hunting their own prey mid chase, the runs that end in death usually being the old or infirm last no time at all, generally speaking that is, of course there is always the odd exception.

I really cannot understand how anyone with an ounce of sentiment in their body can say that hunting and animal to death with hounds and horses is humane or acceptable.

And as for your argument that kids are there to enjoy the ride – I suggest you start researching pro hunters and see how many young kids say it’s fun – they enjoy the thrill of the chase and the kill. One young girl even had pictures posted on her Facebook gloating as a deer was about to be killed and saying how she enjoyed it enormously! The little kiddy hunters of today are the bloodlust adults of tomorrow.
Just cos one girl enjoys the blood lust doesnt mean they all do, infact alot are there JUST for the ride, of that i know its not a stat or a guess i dont need to research them i have in the past and still do speak to them often, i was one of them! so its not just a random guess .

Then lets legalise dog fighting cause guess what it’s natural for pitbulls to fight. Any foxes are killed because they are foxes and not because they are problem foxes, whatever method is used the fox is killed because it is there and it has to lose it’s life because it just might eat something we dont want it to eat