Following on from the IVF thread,,,,,,,,Gay parenting???

@Mrs Clean wrote:

Children need to be loved, and as long as they have a secure and loving home, does it really matter?

I’m sure a lot of alcoholics and drug users “love” their kids wholeheartedly, so is love alone going to give their kids a good stable balanced start in life?

If not then yeah, course its important as we dont know what, if any negatives could be associated with being raised in a same sex enviroment and its not “PC” for anyone to try and find out at the moment

@cas wrote:

Are you homophobic uber?

Well two points, firstly is ANYONE a “homophobe”? The word phobe, and phobic reactions are the “irrational fear” of something, so homophobia, which is an academic construct means the irrational fear of homosexuals

Do you know or have you ever met anyone who is “scared” of them? Many people find what they do disgusting the same way many find doggy fiddling, sadomasochism, rape, paedophilia, sheep shagging, swinging, severe bondage and many other forms of non “normal” sexual activities disgusting

So if you “dislike” any of those things does that mean you are ALSO “scared” of them? Are people rapistaphobics? Paedophileaphobics? Swingeraphobics?

So the term itself is a ludicrous one, chosen and employed to discourage anyone from talking about gays in anyway bar a fluffy homoworshipping way for fear of being called a homophobe. But for that fear to have any value the person has to be retarded enough to a) buy into the validity of the term to begin with and b) give a toss what a bunch of PC homoworshippers think in the slightest (if you can call blindly and without question following PC nonsense “thinking” at all of course)

and yet more dislike them, or what they do because of social moralities or religious morality, and then there are people who just dislike SOME gays because of their demeanour like the butch bull dykes and the minicing gays

So rather than being a “phobia” its, in most cases seemingly just a “dislike”

Anyhoo gramatics aside, why ask that anyway Cas? Do you see any discussion about gays that isnt worshipping their “gayness” and putting them on some homopedastal as “homophobic” then?

Do you think they, as a sub set of society are in someway above being discussed in anyway that isnt talking about their super fabulousness?

Do you think that whether or not a child being raised by gay parents has negative effects on that child it should simply be ignored and overlooked, never investigated simply because under PC directives gays are a protected species that are wanted to be above scrutiny of anykind?

Are you infact a “homo hugging gay worshipper” then? As that would seem a reasonable and equally oppositely nonsensical thing to ask seeing as you cant seem to grasp why anyone except a homophobe would discuss homosexuals in anything less than a bum lickey tone of utter adoration?

Actually, as a bit of irony, the people who want to talk about gays the most are infact the gays themselves, so working from your “logic” (I use the word very loosely) are all gays therefore homophobic?

And what about when people discuss things to do with hetrosexuals? Do you then quiz them as to whether they are hetrophobic?

If you cant grasp the concept of the thread, dont want to actually join in disussing the topic or arent quite “equiped” to discuss an intelligible topic that pertains to gays why not just say that instead of trying to hide the fact with such a moronic question?

@sweetass wrote:

@ubermik wrote:

@Mrs Clean wrote:

Children need to be loved, and as long as they have a secure and loving home, does it really matter?

I’m sure a lot of alcoholics and drug users “love” their kids wholeheartedly, so is love alone going to give their kids a good stable balanced start in life?

If not then yeah, course its important as we dont know what, if any negatives could be associated with being raised in a same sex enviroment and its not “PC” for anyone to try and find out at the moment

Thats a crock of shyte for a start .. if alco’s and junkies loved their kids, they wouldnt be either in the first place … stuff the pc friendly chat of them being diseased or its an illness… both know what they’re doing before they stick that filth in their veins or drink so much they cant’t function without it …… most drunks and junkies would sell their kids for the next high …… and thats personal experience talking having watched cousins and ex friends doing it …….. :twisted: :twisted:

You want sympathy .. go see bad, fasty and uber … not me :twisted:

What utter dross lol, soz but it is, absolute and utter dross

I dont know what youre seemingly limited exposure to alcoholics and drug abusers might be, but they arent all constantly strung out junkies or piss heads who sleep in a pool of their own vomit lol

Many of both arent even known by their closest friends and families to either have a drug or drink habit, but they ARE by definition still a junkie and alcoholic

And simply being either doesnt negate “loving” their kids, infact if scrutinised meticulously very few parents wouldnt have a series of things they do that some non real world do gooder couldnt claim wasnt in the best interest of their child and could then equally claim if they can do that THEY dont love their kids

Take a simple one, someone leaving a crap partner, someone cheating on an existing one, someone who has always been a single parent but starts dating, someone who makes, disiuplines a their child, someone who has ANY hobby at all that requires money that could otherwise be spent on the kids

All of which, could, by someone be claimed as a selfish act, one that COULD eventually negatively influence the child, and therefore IF that parent “loved” their child they wouldnt, in their opinion have done or be doing it. That can be applied to anyone who doesnt constantly revolve around their child, doesnt have any life or social life outside their kids and never ever spends any money at all on themselves other than bare necessity

Back to the point tho, many alcoholics and drug users DO quite successfully manage to not only raise kids but also hold down quite technical jobs, that doesnt mean they magically arent alcoholics or drug abusers, it also doesnt mean that their “hobby” doesnt or couldnt have a negative effect on their child

Same with lifestyle choices, it could just as easily be claimed that someone who enjoys hobbies like fishing could affect a child if the child doesnt like it by the virtue of their repeated absence, even someone who HAS to watch eastenders, brookside and all the other soaps and WONT be interrupted whilst doing so as kids needs dont magically fit in around tv scheduling, the fishing or football season etc but those people arent carte blanche accused of being incapable of loving their kids are they?

Infact how ludicrous a statement is that if someone isnt the absolute perfect parent they dont or simply cant “love” their kids lol, that would mean most people who have kids dont love them and would also include pretty much ever single person who is or has ever suffered from depression and has been popping pills for it, coz if they “loved” their kids they wouldnt have let themselves get depressed to begin with would they hahahaha

Coz alcoholism, drug abuse, depression and antidepressants are VERY often aspects of a similar psychosis, mental illness, personality type and set of enviromental factors

And antidepressant useage in this country is currently running at ridiculous near pandemic proportions which would mean NO parent who takes antidepressants loves their kids or is capable of doing so lol

Yeah right :lol: :lol: :lol: