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I would certainly argue that these are social problems, and nothing to do with religion. The vast majority of people in this country who have morals do not get them because of the values of any religion.
Shame then that we as a nation cannot serve justice to those who deserve it… to think, this country was in command of many countries in the world….what is the mark we have left behind? Now it comes back to haunt us….. didnt we educate the heathen ?
@Bad Manners wrote:
@pete wrote:
A voice of sense and reason which i believe probably represents the voice of all decent religious people no matter what their faith
Of course it’s ridicolous to stop a nurse wearing a crucifix. However the author of the article (a muslim) seems to think that the “social fabric” of Britain is becoming frayed because Christianity is being attacked.
Also “as we lose our strong moral compass, family breakdown and violent crime are at record levels”.I would certainly argue that these are social problems, and nothing to do with religion. The vast majority of people in this country who have morals do not get them because of the values of any religion.
So there’s no correlation between the loss in morals and the decline of the church whatever its denomination ? So we must get morals off our parents therefore parents must be rubbish nowadays ?
@pete wrote:
@Bad Manners wrote:
@pete wrote:
A voice of sense and reason which i believe probably represents the voice of all decent religious people no matter what their faith
Of course it’s ridicolous to stop a nurse wearing a crucifix. However the author of the article (a muslim) seems to think that the “social fabric” of Britain is becoming frayed because Christianity is being attacked.
Also “as we lose our strong moral compass, family breakdown and violent crime are at record levels”.I would certainly argue that these are social problems, and nothing to do with religion. The vast majority of people in this country who have morals do not get them because of the values of any religion.
So there’s no correlation between the loss in morals and the decline of the church whatever its denomination ? So we must get morals off our parents therefore parents must be rubbish nowadays ?
Well, some of em sure.
Humans had morals long before churches and religion came along. Humans will have morals long after they’ve gone. Someone is no more likely to commit a crime in an athiest society than they are in a Christian society.
@Bad Manners wrote:
Humans had morals long before churches and religion came along. Humans will have morals long after they’ve gone. Someone is no more likely to commit a crime in an athiest society than they are in a Christian society.
I disagree with that, of course they’d have to follow their religion properly not just give it lip service. God fearing isn’t such a bad idea morally speaking at least.
Ok dinners on so just pop this little snippet in…I know this may come as a shock so please…stay calm….
:shock:
I wonder, is anyone familiar with the interview carried out with
Harold Rosenthal the administrative assistant to Senator Jacob K. Javits of New York in 1976 ?
This jewish man explained in no uncertain terms just what has been going on….He said…
“We Jews have put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we promote both sides
of the issue as confusion reigns. With their eye’s fixed on the issues,
they fail to see who is behind every scene. We Jews toy with the American public as a cat toys with a mouse.”
Oddly? This man was killed when … “an alleged sky-jacking attempt on an Israeli airliner
in Istanbul, Turkey, August 12, 1976. ….
Need i remind you people, This man followed the zionist religion which not only distorts
it but turns the very fabric of it into the worship of the satan…
more to follow soon peepz… 8)It appears this mr Rosenthal said perhaps more than he should have…something he no longer lives to regret
Looking back to the time of this interview and having had time to analyze Harold Rosenthal’s candidness, we are compelled to think of him as a conceited, boastful yet very knowledgeable person. I would classify him as an egotist and a egoist. At times his cruelty surfaced with a venom, especially as he describes the STUPID CHRISTIANS or “goys” as he so often referred to “us.”
This surprised me because the word “goy” is not in our language and he must have known this. His mind was thoroughly immersed in the ONE-WORLD PLAN of World Jewry. With arrogance, he boasted that the Jew’s conquest of the world was almost complete thanks to Christian stupidity. When asked if he was a Zionist, Mr.. Rosenthal replied: “That’s a hell of a question! At the foundation of the issue the traditional Zionist concept of aliyah, a Hebrew term meaning the ‘in gathering’ or return of Diaspora L(dispersed Jews) Jews to the Palestine homeland. Ever since 1948 and the creation of the State of Israel, aliyah has become a basic imperative of Israeli government policy.” What is aliyah? Will you please spell it for me? He did so and we inquired as to the realistic meaning of aliyah. Mr.. Rosenthal said: “It is a permanent physical migration to Palestine, not just a visit. “We asked, what is Zionism? I’ve heard Jews define it as anything from permanent migration to financial spiritual support of Israel from around the world.
Mr. Rosenthal replied: “Our first leader, former Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, said that Zionism without a ‘return to Zion’ is phony. Not many American Jews migrate permanently to Israel. Some say that all Jews, by definition, are Zionists. Others say that a Jew is not a Zionist unless he’s a member who pays dues to an actively Zionist organization. Definitions have been tossed everywhere since the Jewish homeland became a reality.”
The fact that at my age in life, i have never come across this material in public either in written form or any other format is hardly surprising…. Thanks to the interweb, these documents can now be viewed…..particular thanks go to google of course which, the vast majority of people will use daily or will have already used…
So there’s no correlation between the loss in morals and the decline of the church whatever its denomination ? So we must get morals off our parents therefore parents must be rubbish nowadays ?
I think its a wider problem than the decline of the church and the so called bad parenting ….the law system is failing and to be honest the school system dosent reinforce morals or dicapline ………i feel to much power has been handed over to childern they are more than aware or there rights in socioety and as children they will push those bounderies ….its a shame the church is loosing followers but i feel in some ways the church hasnt moved with the times and this is part of the problem ……the argument about the wearing of crosses i feel is a stupid one ……if people dont hold religion in the same way they used to who is going to be offended?………at the same time we see muslims fighting to keep the right to wear the burka so what is to be done do we strip the country of all religous regalia?
Yes, this does seem to be an interesting study, it has been said that this judaism is a follow on faith from what the kings of old subscribed to, what with these stories of gold powder and burning bushes..you know, it reminds me a little of that film wizard of oz…..everyone thinks its t eh great i am speaking but really…its a little bald bloke behind a screen……not disimilar to the wacky scientist we have trolling these threads on a regular basis….i wonder if he`s a little fat bald bloke… :-k Stay tuned good people…we are approaching the truth….stanby 8) :wink:
mmmmm dinners on… :)
So, what about all this hoo hah with this zionist stuff ? Well, let me tell you…would you be surprised for me to inform you that some of these american zionists have huge powers of persuation in that country….and wait for it…..not just there… even this country as well…….. does the “cash for favours ” phrase ring any bells???? Yes Gazz !!! … of course it does , well do you know, this is exactly what this man Rosenthal was talking about….little wonder then he was got rid of……. by who Gazz ??? Well, let me investigate further..providing of course, im not got at….. 8-[ :shock:
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