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Is it not the case ` the creator ` has set each person their own free thinking mind whereby they will be tested and judged accordingly ?
@pikey wrote:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?I think he should have been called Bert.
Or Terry.He`s not a woman after all then :o
Pike’s quote from Epicurus is a good one. To expand on it does the world make infinitely more sense with or without a God? Do natural disasters, people and children dying from cancer, starvation and genocide make more sense with a God or without one. To my mind if you take out a God the randomness, and pure luck of everything that happens to us finally makes total sense because it is simply pure randomness and pure luck. We are simply on our own.
Well, despite ` the creator ` having harsh penalties for wrong doing and the ` holy books ` being littered with death, violence and a chosen people….i very much think this world would be a whole lot worse off without it, while many say that religion is a major factor in the development of conflict, i disagree with that. Yes it can be said that it contributes but, in my opinion it is a certain few who distort the scriptures, they then become clerics or leaders and that is where the problems begin. I think its fair to say that most faithful people want nothing more than to live side by side with all humanity regardless.
Is it not the case ` the creator ` has set each person their own free thinking mind whereby they will be tested and judged accordingly ?
Having said that, what on earth can a new born child, many of whom suffer in hideous and horrific ways do to profess faith…. I cannot reason with the thought that innocence can be taken in such ways before that child can even utter a word…. i can reason with the likes of disability, as that person could possibly live to a ripe old age despite their disability, that really would be a test of faith..but a new born child…no.
@Bad Manners wrote:
@pete wrote:
None of this debate has proved or disproved either belief at this moment it is down to individual faith and faith can move mountains supposedly
Well one belief cannot be disproven simply because of the nature of it. The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim.
Problem is your making the claims yet not proving anything, I’m claiming nothing
@pete wrote:
@Bad Manners wrote:
@pete wrote:
None of this debate has proved or disproved either belief at this moment it is down to individual faith and faith can move mountains supposedly
Well one belief cannot be disproven simply because of the nature of it. The burden of proof is always on the person making the claim.
Problem is your making the claims yet not proving anything, I’m claiming nothing
I wasnt talking about you and me Pete. I was saying that the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim(religous person). I know you’re agnostic so I dont think you’d be making the claims.
I think the same applies to a person making the evolution claim or big bang claim… they have no proof of either as they have no proof of God. There is evolution but from a virus (lets say) to every plant animal fungi and bacteria on the planet ? Maybe the truth is a mix of the two who knows, certainly not David Icke
@pete wrote:
I think the same applies to a person making the evolution claim or big bang claim… they have no proof of either as they have no proof of God. There is evolution but from a virus (lets say) to every plant animal fungi and bacteria on the planet ? Maybe the truth is a mix of the two who knows, certainly not David Icke
Im surprised you would say that Pete given that you’re very well versed in Science.
And science doesn’t know all the answers which is why it keeps asking the questions, some of Einsteins theories are now being questioned and found to be lets say not 100%. Science is always stating stuff which is later amended or even found to be complete rubbish eg phlogiston (if thats spelt right). Maybe science will prove or disprove God, who knows
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