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25 June, 2012 at 8:19 am #17801
Mohamed Morsi has won the election…. so will Egypt now be ruled by sharia law which is what he promised in his manifesto? He has promised to be moderate and not ban alcohol or force women to wear veils etc…. time will tell I suppose but I watched the celebrations in Cairo and there were very few women among the crowds.
25 June, 2012 at 8:38 am #500086is this the serious thread?
25 June, 2012 at 10:22 am #500087@rogue trader wrote:
is this the serious thread?
Think so cosy….. But I dont think anyone reads it so its the quiet smoking area too :D
25 June, 2012 at 11:02 am #500088I still read it! :D
The next few weeks/months are going to be interesting…until a new constitution is ratified and he is able to establish a sitting parliament, the extent of his powers is still limited. He has to tread very carefully to get the military council on side – they won’t easily give up power – and there are a lot of people wanting to have a finger in the pie…meanwhile he also has to keep the ordinary man in the street happy, both muslims and non-muslims…and all under the watchful eye of the rest of the world who also want to have their say.
However it unfolds, a new era in Egypt, but he certainly has his work cut out.
25 June, 2012 at 3:30 pm #500089@jen_jen wrote:
I still read it! :D
The next few weeks/months are going to be interesting…until a new cut we havonstitution is ratified and he is able to establish a sitting parliament, the extent of his powers is still limited. He has to tread very carefully to get the military council on side – they won’t easily give up power – and there are a lot of people wanting to have a finger in the pie…meanwhile he also has to keep the ordinary man in the street happy, both muslims and non-muslims…and all under the watchful eye of the rest of the world who also want to have their say.
However it unfolds, a new era in Egypt, but he certainly has his work cut out.
I agree jen… it will be interesting to see how it pans out… have to say… Im not sure about sharia law though… but we have to understand its their culture and their country even if its not our idea of a civilised society :?
26 June, 2012 at 7:34 am #500090Egypt’s system of law is already blended with sharia. In practice, many issues regarded in the West as central to sharia law in reality relate to local cultures. The wearing of the hijab for example is recognized as being largely cultural, as the Qur’an evidently requires male and female modesty, as opposed to a specific female garment.
In UK in theory we have a “Christian” common law in England and Wales and “Roman” law in Scotland but we don’t adopt Roman or biblical punishments.
There have been extreme interpretations of sharia such as the old Taliban regime in Afghanistan. I think that is unlikely to happen in Egypt as that is not how most Muslims interpret sharia law. A Muslim marriage for example is considered invalid without the permission of the woman, who can also insist on marrying a suitable male whether her male relatives agree or not.
With so many interpretations of what sharia law means and how it is adapted to operate in practice, I suspect the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
Don’t think Morsi is an extremist, but I agree that we really don’t know how it is going to turn out.
9 July, 2012 at 11:12 pm #500091I have told people for a good few months now that the ” Arab Spring” may not be in favour of Western Culture. And tried to offput the yearly pilgrimagaes to Sharm-el-skeik etc. we are now hearing of women hitting women as they are not in full Burkha etc. Buses for men and women and never the twain. ..and no, i never read the Daily Mail.
Not a place I would go as a tourist. No Sir !
25 July, 2012 at 9:41 pm #500092What is interesting is that the ‘Arab Spring’ uprisings were not stopped, despite brutal force being used, and they happened one after another – Tunisia – Egypt – Libya – Syria.
This is a bit like the fall of the Iron Curtain regimes in the 1980’s.
One can’t help feeling there might have been a master plan guiding the uprisings and their sequence, and the master planners might be radical islamists. Whenever they showed clips of freedom fighters in action in Egypt, Libya or Syria, each outgoing burst of gunfire or each RPG launched is accompanied by a shout of “Allahu Akbar” or “God is Great”, and that would indicate an islamist dimension to the struggle.
Like the last poster, I feel I must add that I don’t read the Daily Mail either – I’d class myself as a leftist, and as such I think it’s about time that some on the ‘left’ realise they’re playing a very dangerous game whenever they claim common cause with radical muslims.
26 July, 2012 at 10:18 am #500093What is interesting is repressive regimes in the Middle East have all sorts of religious and secular bases for their existence.
The Arab Spring, just like any revolutionary movement, has many groups involved in it. One of the reasons for it’s relative lack of success (unlike the Eastern European uprisings after the fall of the Berlin Wall) is precisely that there is no common basis except the desire for less political repression.
There is no central organisation and no supreme leader and, although some groups wanted to return to “true” Islam are included in those groups, there is no common understanding between them as to what that means. As I alluded to in my previous posting, Sharia Law extends from moderate systems, where the main differences from our system are in terms of things like financial matters, all the way to discriminatory systems with brutal punishments, often for women and the poor.
It is very easy for us to assume that any involvement of Islam in these groups is threatening. Some groups are certainly extreme but none of the most extreme groups have succeeded in taking control. Indeed if they wish to take part in a pluralist democracy which protects it people, who are we to judge? We welcomed dialogue and political power sharing when the IRA agreed to laid down their arms, before they had actually disarmed.
The subversion of these revolutions by extreme groups however is a real possibility – just like in 1917 a largely moderate and peaceful Russian Revolution was seized by the Bolsheviks who were original the minority in their own party. This guaranteed the success of the Revolution but also resulted in years of bloody civil war.
This then is the real risk. We should be careful however not to overplay it. The more extremist Islamic response gets lots of attention because it is extreme, easy to explain and make good pictures.
The majority who are moderate do not make good news – just like the extreme Christian right in the United States make good news in the Middle East, and help fuel Middle Eastern distrust of the West.
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