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@gazlan wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
Just because people don’t join in a message board rant to condemn, doesn’t make them hyprocites and doesn’t mean they have their eyes closed or sit on their hands….there’s a big wide world beyond these message boards, and ranting on here isn’t going to make a blind bit of difference to the Isreal/Palestine situation. There are initiatives beyond these boards if you really want to do something other than just rant.
So your eyes are open…what are you going to do about it?
What on this earth are you shoveling here fgs ? The ” decent response ” i mention is in relation to the capture of UK citizens by the zionist demons…. As far as the suppression and apartheid of the palestinian people are concerned, what on earth could i expect a handfull of little dumplings like you and the others to do? The ” sitting on their hands ” comment is directed at the double standard, gutless hypocrites that we know as the UN
Well I know what I’m doing about it and it doesn’t involve ranting on a message board…what are you doing about it?
Well the truth may be out there, but the lies are certainly in some peoples heads :roll:
@quiet_man wrote:
Fancy restaurants and Olympic-size pools: What the media won’t report about Gaza
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2010/05/25/fancy-restaurants-and-olympic-size-pools-what-the-media-won%E2%80%99t-report-about-gaza/By Special to the National Post
The National Post is a notoriously biased rag, well known to be prepared to excuse Israel of the most heinous acts. I wouldn’t set much store by it. The siege of the Palestinians is causing real suffering to innocents. Even a casual inspection of the Israelis press would show that.
Reports of major suffering in Gaza may be exaggerated, according to a Danish TV journalist.
Steffen Jensen of TV2 has been based in Jerusalem for years, and has often visited Gaza, though it is must more difficult for foreign reporters to get in than before.
“This time, I had expected to see real suffering, because with all the fuss in recent days to bring some ton humanitarian relief in – so much that people actually sacrificed their lives for it – so had to really be a deep, desperate situation in the Gaza Strip. No food. Long queues in front of UN food stocks. Hungry children with food bowls. But it was not the picture that greeted me,” he said in a Danish language report translated by Google.
Jensen said he discovered there were almost as many traffic jams in the past, and petrol was not even being rationed.
Food appeared to be plentiful, even in the Shati refugee camp.
Many stores were closed because Hamas has declared a general strike.
Jensen said he could not say that things were as good as they have been in the past.
I will not say whether, in better times has been a larger product range than there were yesterday. But there was certainly no shortage of vegetables, fruits or any other ordinary, basic foods. Tomatoes, cucumbers, corn, watermelons, potatoes – all in the mountains at the many stalls.
I must admit I was a little surprised. I must admit. Because when I call down here to my Palestinian friends, so they tell me about all the problems and deficiencies, so I expected that the crisis was a little more clear.
And the first woman we interviewed in the market confirms this strange, contradictory, negative outlook:
“We have nothing,” she said. We need everything! Food, beverages … everything! ” As she commented she was surrounded by “mountains of vegetables, fruit, eggs, poultry and fish…” Much of the good comes from Israel.
Another woman, Rifka Abu Nahal, said the real problem is water. It could become a threat to farm level as the water table sinks and becomes permeated with salty Mediterrean water.
The biggest problem, she said, was high unemployment
Stephanie Gutmann is a journalist based in New York. She has written for dozens of publications including Playboy and the Wall Street Journal. She is the author of two books: The Kinder, Gentler Military: How Political Correctness Affects Our Ability to Win Wars, and The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians and the Struggle for Media Supremacy.
One piece of data was a documentary I saw a few months ago, shot by a pro-Hamas activist and screened during Columbia University’s Apartheid Week festivities. Peculiarly, though the travelogue (filmed very recently) was supposed to arouse Nuremberg rally-like rage about occupation and so on, the activist/producer had allowed abundant footage of street markets brimming with produce and shops full of canned goods, cigarettes, and sweets. At one point the activist/film producer asked a Gazan whether he had enough food. He answered with something to the effect of “We have food, but we object to the closures on political grounds.” The activist’s cameras then took us over to the Gaza/Egypt border where, under full view of apathetic uniformed authorities, huge, complicated tunnels were being built, repaired, and used to bring in more goods.
Data point two was a Sky TV series about the Middle East narrated by Ross Kemp, which I recently watched on YouTube showing similar market scenes. At one point Kemp asks a Gazan the starvation question and he replies, “Well, the Israelis give us nappies, yoghurt and fruit.”
Three is the fact that every single documentary or TV news clip I have seen of Gaza shows healthy looking children frisking in the streets and robust young men busy doing calorically expensive things like loading rocket launchers. Severely under-nourished people are usually quite apathetic.
Four, (and I realize, this is by definition suspect to many Blogs commenters) there’s also the Israeli government’s claim that they allow in truckloads of aid nearly every day. That is, when Hamas isn’t hijacking the aid convoys or shooting up the Eretz Crossing as they are alleged to have done in 2007-2008.
The most recent large scale delivery of aid was the 10,000 tonnes of goods off-loaded from the “Freedom Flotilla” ships in the Ashdod port and taken by ground, by Israel, to Gaza. The Israelis claim this was accomplished by the second of June, shortly after the hostilities at sea. Of course this is what was supposed to have happened anyway if the activists had cooperated with the Israeli government in the first place, and sooner, with the creation of fewer new “martyrs”.
So I will leave you with that. I hope it’s food for thought.
None of that says i agree with the blockade, but if you play with fire you’ll get burned. Apparently both Egypt and Israel said they would ship the supplies into the Gaza Strip (as they already had done once) had the ships diverted to another port. The consequences were obvious and let’s face it damn good publicity for the cause. Will all that affect Israel ? I very much doubt it.
Over the years, the public en-mass are subject to all forms of propoganda, while i agree that it would be incorrect to suggest starvation in the Palestine, the lives of the innocent have been tortuous, this has been brought about by the actions of the zionist regime, either directly or indirectly. Also, the given statistics for the numbers of ” refugees ” as a result of the dismantling of the Palestine are varied along with the very reason for their dispersal.
Yes indeed, there are many attractions in Gaza for the wealthy as per mr quiet, however, this in my opinion, does not include the vast majority of dispersed Gazans who, carry on living in complete poverty. Estimations give that 2/3 rds of Gazans have refugee status.
Though many people believe the ” state of israel ” has a right to defend itself, the fact that this ” state ” and its creation by the western powers, has been the overwhelming reason for the dispersion and subsequent suppression of the Palestinians cannot be stressed enough…
I have not seen one single justification in this world to date that gives the jews any right to that land. Even when their own scriptures are studied, the land is denied on religious grounds.
Jen, when the worlds powers sit by and do absolutley nothing in response to the zionist aggression and disregard for international law, then i think there is very little i myself can do personally … I again replay for you my previous comments elsewhere, it is my duty, along with the duty of all truth seekers, side by side that of justice and peace to carry on regardless in continuing to question the actions of those who create terror and misery for innocents the world over.
A source informs me that this article relating to the “Gazan luxury”, originated from a jewish source and borrowed by my Gross… Perhaps a gross exageration in terms of actual wealth of the majority of Gazans i think :roll:So you’re doing nothing.
@gazlan wrote:
Jen, when the worlds powers sit by and do absolutley nothing in response to the zionist aggression and disregard for international law, then i think there is very little i myself can do personally … I again replay for you my previous comments elsewhere, it is my duty, along with the duty of all truth seekers, side by side that of justice and peace to carry on regardless in continuing to question the actions of those who create terror and misery for innocents the world over. :roll:
What can you do personally? Here’s a few ideas….
http://www.redpepper.org.uk/What-can-you-doOr you can continue to google and rant and make no difference whatsoever.
Actions speak louder than words.Why should Mr Gazlan be expected to do anything, Jen? There are dozens of threads on this site where people express their outrage about all sorts of subjects – paedophiles, shootings, Lady Gaga (!?), olympic mascots – no one is expected to be doing anything concrete to justify their outrage. Why would we hold Mr Gazlan to different standards?
Now, with regard to the news reports that show life in Gaza is all strawberries and cream, I would treat them all with caution. The Foreign Office – no friend of Hamas, Hezbollah or Islamism in general – has said the area is experiencing an ‘ongoing urgent humanitarian situation’*. Whatever we think of terrorism or the rights and wrongs of the Israeli/Palestinian situation, that means innocents who are just trying to get on with their lives are suffering. That can’t be right.
I’ve long argued that the way forward for the Palestinians is through non-violent resistance. In that way they can force the Israelis to play the bad guys until their position becomes untenable. The international backlash to the recent heavy handed action by the Israelis is a good example of how this works. In the final analysis, what they have done is sent commandos to stop a ship sailing in international waters and carrying only peaceful supplies and ended up killing people to achieve their aims. Good work, fellas. I pray that the Palestinians see that this sort of incident advances their cause more than a hundred rockets launched blindly into Israel might do.
There’s more to come. How does Israel plan to deal with the Irish ship the MV Rachel Corrie, which is on its way with aid to the Gaza Strip? Mairead Corrigan Maguire, a Nobel peace prizewinner, is onboard. Will Israel argue that the Eire government, which has given this ship its backing, is a supporter of Al-Qaida and send commandos again?
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