Do we need factory farming?

@dead_on_arrvial wrote:

You know I read this crap and you seen to be saying you never got any gov help.

So you or your hubby never got mortgage tax relief

You didn’t claim for tax relief on your kids

You didn’t get family allowance

You paid for all your hospital and doctors bills.

I am sure your hubby didn’t try a claim back some of your kid’s school fees from the taxman.

You’re not taking the advantage of the pension tax break top up.

Your hubby or yourself never put money in the kid’s names to avoid paying tax on your savings.

Has you get older I am going to be force to pay all your medical bills, will be forced to pay for your home help and in the end forced to pay for your rest home.

Has a single man with no kids who start work at 16, why I am subsiding your family?

Why am I paying for your life style?

What do I get back for my money?

Answer nothing

Your family is cost me about £200 per week and in turn you think you can tell me what to eat, how to think and what to do.

Your just one more silly tart who thinks everyone has it easy, you work hard, you do your best, but everyone gets hand outs, so that’s why they do better?

It can’t be you can it?

Maybe you should work how just how much you have taken from the rest of us over the last 40 years and stop moaning.

hare we go again.
ill reply to you for the last time ok ?
you quite obviously are in love with me arent you.
firstly as i said before i dont know about the mortgage tax relief as i havent paid a mortgage for some time. so i cant help you there. and just in case you didnt know its quite normal for women to pay the mortgage nowadays.
my mortgage was paid in full some years ago. ok ? got that ? i dont have a mortgage to claim relief on. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?
2. child benefit is only paid for 16 years only. unless the child goes on to further education, in which case its 18 years. neither of my children went to uni. they are both professionals and one has done an apprenticeship and the younger one is doing her apprenticeship nw, shes 18 and hasnt finished yet. ok ?is that fair enough for you ? i dont want to confuse you.
3 im 47 years old, not in my sixties as you seem to think. but this is a moot point as my age is irrelevant.
4 i love your maths by the way are you sre you dont want to be my bank manager ?
5 giving birth to a child in 1985 cost roughly £1500 or here abouts. my second was born in 1989 lets add a bit for inflation and say £2000 is that ok with you or are you an expert in hospital management as well as a mental health service user ?
6i contributed roughly 30 percent of my pay toward my pension and the n.h.s contributed roughly the same. ive no intention of telling you what i recieve each month as i wouldnt want you to throw a hissy fit and bang your sizeable head on the furniture.
7my childrens education has been more than met by the national insurance payments both my husband and myself have made. in fact my husbands contributions alone would have gone a long way to putting them thru uni as well as school. his salary is none of your business, and as i say i wouldnt want you banging your head…twice.
8 if you want to know what else ive had ill tell you.
ive had. a fantastic career
a brilliant marriage.
two kids that are ace fun and loving to the point of making me sick at times.im sorry you couldnt share.
as for benefits nope, sorry, never qualified for any.sorry.
so im afraid i cant give you the £150.000 i obviously owe you cos i aint had it..get it ? do you see yet? do you understand? am i trying to plat fog here?
9 i wish you could do that as well. whatever that is.. im sure youre very good at whatever it is you do. but its not my concern as to your capabilities, they certainly dont lie in the school of economics or in the real world for that matter.
im glad you told me what the current rate for jobseekers allowance is, i didnt know, thank you. actually it wouldnt be much use to me because i spend more than that every week on petrol for my toy.
10 and finally [again] guess who’s cost the tax payer more ?
cant help ypu on that one pet, bit this i do know. if i thought that my and my husbands tax money had educated you, and housed you for any length of time, id ask for a refund under the trades descriptions act.
now im off to the pub to meet my mates and have a bloody good laugh about some half witted wan*er who thought he could take woman on in an argument, when he clearly couldnt find his ar*e with both hands. ttfn pet have a nice night fuming. and dont lose any sleep pettle i certainly wont .

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@dead_on_arrvial wrote:

Wishpish you’re so far up your own as s I am surprise you can type.

Do you think people in Africa or Asian give a damn about animal rights?

I do wish the “pc wishy-washy” minority would stop telling the rest of us what to do.

I think what most people fail to realize is than our vegetables are 3 times the price in the rest of Europe, 100 times more expensive that outside Europe.

Now I know people who have good jobs can afford to buy the best food, but most of the people in the UK are living on low wages or up to their eyes in debt.

What we need is cheaper food, all the things you people are asking for will only push up prices and that will mean more food imports.

We shouldn’t be putting more regulations on our farmers that would only push up the price and costs of their products and force them out of business.

So by fostering the view that “food should be produced in an kind way to animals” in the long term you only opening the door for more food imports that will not be following or meeting our own standards.

Basically the only thing you are doing is putting British farms out of business, and importing more food from out side Europe.

Or is that what you sad people are after?

Wishpish:

Lets help the 3rd world by buying food from them, but how do we increase their prices?

Sharogooner:

Well we could close down all the farms in Britain that would force prices up!

But what about all those people who can’t afford the new higher prices?

Wishpish:

Eating meat is wrong and if they can’t see it, well its hard luck, I am sure they will see that after a few weeks of eating nice healthy vegetables and its not like they have a choice once the prices goes up.

Anyway if they worked hard at school and didn’t have so many kids, they would be poor in the first place.

Sharogooner:

You’re so right, it’s the poor who make themselves poor, “it’s a life style choice”

why have you put my name on this drivell ? are you stalking me now ? and its waspish, you know !!! with a sting in the tale.

@waspish wrote:

@sharongooner wrote:

How did this subject stretch to these levels????

the poor mans obviously run out of medication. he cant seem to grasp the fact that some people are not professional scroungers, and even better hes deluded enough to think that he payds somehow for me and my family to live on benefits. ??? how he copes with life in his world is beyond me. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

lmao you would obviously be nowhere without him :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

It was upsetting to see those chickens all locked in one tight place but not everyone can afford the extra money in their shopping for, free range goods. Or with vegetables, organic produce.

The Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall programme didn’t put me off buying any type of chicken, other than wanting some for pets… lol.

@chickenman wrote:

I would prefer free range or organic but it’s down to cost. When my local supermarket sell’s caged eggs at £1:09 and free range at £2:04 I’m not going to pay it.
Also what I don’t understand is in the 50’s and 60’s most food was free range or organic and there was a premium on the new frozen food that was introduced to the food market because it was new and convenient . Now we seem to be paying a premium on the natural food what we used to have back in the 50’s and 60’s.
When British farmers were producing to much food and we had huge milk lakes and thousands of tons of potatoes the price didn’t fall, the government still kept the price up
It’s all about greedy supermarkets and greedy governments.

That is a very good point! Now I don’t remember quite that far back, but I do know that when I was a child we bought all our fruit and veg from a grocers who were supplied locally. We had to eat what was in season. Meat came from a local butcher. Most of these have been put out of business by the supermarket chains who undercut them, waited until they had closed down and then put their prices up to more than the local stores charged. People say they like the convenience of being able to get everything in one place, but the competition is just between the big supermarket chains now, and they do deals. They ship produce in from all over the world because people like being able to get fruit and veg out of season, but this contributes to global warming.

There are now farm shops, and farmers markets. The farmers are trying to carry on supplying us locally. Yes it is more expensive, but Smiles is right, it is more tastey, and you know where its come from. I think the government should be encouraging this and giving the farmers subsidies so they can reduce their prices, thereby making it possible for all the local people to buy from the farmers directly. But this brings its own problems, as increased demand for local produce might be impossible to meet.

Surely it would be preferable if the supermarkets all bought their produce from the farmers in this country, and wherever possible from farmers local to each supermarket, or as locally as possible. If fruit and veg are out of season, then we could have the option of buying products from abroad, or just to eat what is in season.