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Wishpish you’re so far up your own as s I am surprise you can type.
Do you think people in Africa or Asian give a damn about animal rights?
I do wish the “pc wishy-washy” minority would stop telling the rest of us what to do.
I think what most people fail to realize is than our vegetables are 3 times the price in the rest of Europe, 100 times more expensive that outside Europe.
Now I know people who have good jobs can afford to buy the best food, but most of the people in the UK are living on low wages or up to their eyes in debt.
What we need is cheaper food, all the things you people are asking for will only push up prices and that will mean more food imports.
We shouldn’t be putting more regulations on our farmers that would only push up the price and costs of their products and force them out of business.
So by fostering the view that “food should be produced in an kind way to animals” in the long term you only opening the door for more food imports that will not be following or meeting our own standards.
Basically the only thing you are doing is putting British farms out of business, and importing more food from out side Europe.
Or is that what you sad people are after?
Wishpish:Lets help the 3rd world by buying food from them, but how do we increase their prices?
Sharogooner:Well we could close down all the farms in Britain that would force prices up!
But what about all those people who can’t afford the new higher prices?
Wishpish:Eating meat is wrong and if they can’t see it, well its hard luck, I am sure they will see that after a few weeks of eating nice healthy vegetables and its not like they have a choice once the prices goes up.
Anyway if they worked hard at school and didn’t have so many kids, they would be poor in the first place.
Sharogooner:
You’re so right, it’s the poor who make themselves poor, “it’s a life style choice”
DOA.
firstly my head isnt up my ars* i simply choose to not eat factory farmed meat, you obviously do, and thats your choice.
i dont eat factory farmed for these reasons.
1 pork. injected twice weekly with saline solution to give flesh a paler colour., and give the illusion to the buyer that they are buying good meat.
fed pellet food with no natural antibiotics so they have antibiotic injections instead to stop them being covered in boils and stop the skin rotting.
sows are kept in crates where they cannot move in case they kill piglets and thus loss of profit for the supermarket trade.
2 chickens. forced on by being fed growth hormones for the first three weeks.
kept in filthy conditions where thousands of birds die daily of various diseases as has been shown on tv lateley. just so the public can buy two for a fiver.
i choose to buy local produce both meat and veg. i choose this because i give a damn what gfuel goes into my engine simply put. neither me nor any of my family are fat or in bad health because we eat well. if anyone chooses to stuff their faces with burgers made from mechanically reclaimed meat then they can live with the consequences. poor health and gross obesity. still on the rise and costing the n.h.s the equivalent to a years pay each.
if someone choose to feed their children such meat they can expect their children to be hyperactive,overweight and have poor consentration, and short attention spans.
if we were all vegetarian we could reclaim thousands of hectares of land that at present is being used to grow rape seed oil to claim e.u tax relief and get e.u handouts for not growing veg, as this would drive down the price of veg and the supermarkets would make less profits.
we could stop meat and veg and dairy produce being trucked across europe and back again before it reaches the supermarkets so the supermarkets can claim tax relief on diesel and claim eu cash for doing this.
that i can afford to pay a bit more for my food, is no ones business realy exept for the fact that i went to school, and when i left school i went to work and have continued to do so for the last 30 years.
if people who dont want to work want to eat meat, then they can buy cheap meat its their choice. i choose not to.
as for being wishy washy and p.c , you obviously have me mixed up with someone who gives a sh*t
i would not dream of telling anyone else what to eat or how to shop everyone has the choice. but if you sit on your backside all day watching tv, with a can of beer in one hand and a fag in the other then you wont be able to afford the food i buy, again its a choice.
as for the original question. no i dont think we do need factory farming. but as long as we have half the nation on dss benefits and sick pay we will keep them.
one further point d.o.a if half the nation is drowning in debt it is their ownfault for having to have the latest and most expensive stuff and not wanting to work to pay for it. if you cant buy it by saving up for it [houses and transport aside] you shouldnt get loans and credit to pay for it.
we all have to have somewhere to live and most of us need a car for work. that doesnt mean you have to drive a dirty great 4×4 or a bmw. but if you want this you pay for it.@waspish wrote:
that i can afford to pay a bit more for my food, is no ones business realy exept for the fact that i went to school, and when i left school i went to work and have continued to do so for the last 30 years.
if people who dont want to work want to eat meat, then they can buy cheap meat its their choice. i choose not to.
as for being wishy washy and p.c , you obviously have me mixed up with someone who gives a sh*t
i would not dream of telling anyone else what to eat or how to shop everyone has the choice. but if you sit on your backside all day watching tv, with a can of beer in one hand and a fag in the other then you wont be able to afford the food i buy, again its a choice.
as for the original question. no i dont think we do need factory farming. but as long as we have half the nation on dss benefits and sick pay we will keep them.
one further point d.o.a if half the nation is drowning in debt it is their ownfault for having to have the latest and most expensive stuff and not wanting to work to pay for it. if you cant buy it by saving up for it [houses and transport aside] you shouldnt get loans and credit to pay for it.
we all have to have somewhere to live and most of us need a car for work. that doesnt mean you have to drive a dirty great 4×4 or a bmw. but if you want this you pay for it.
Thank you for showing us what kind of person you are and proving my point about you.The rest of us don’t matter its all about you and what you want.
And because its good for you and fits “your beliefs and life style choices” you feel the rest of us should paid for it.
Why?
Few people think and believe the same have you, so why do we have to be force feed this rubbish by looneys like you is beyond me.
Maybe if you spend a bit more time in the real world and not in the “controlled zone” you would have a better understanding how the world works.
where did i say i expect ANYONE else to pay for my lifestyle ? i didnt and i dont. i go to work as does my husband,son and daughter. we choose to pay more and eat healthy, since when was this a crime you airhead.
as for it being all about me and mine.. do i sit on my ar8e and expect you or anyone else to pay for it ? no
do i tell you where to shop or what to eat ? no
did i say anywhere that i expect anyone else to live the way i choose to. no
simple facts.
if you sit on your ar8e and eat fatty rubbish and do no exercise you will get fat,and be generally unhealthy.
if you feed your children the same rubbish you are condemning them to the same idle self inflicted illnesses you will get.
if you are poor i suggest cutting your cloth to fit your needs. [an old but true saying]but dont expect me to pay taxes to feed and care for fat idle wasters who havent got the gorm to look at what theyare shoving into their fat faces until they cant get off the sofa that i have paid taxes for them to sit on.
people who expect others to keep them, should bloody well keep their traps shut when it comes to telling us who work, to keep them on their fat ar8es, that we are wrong somehow, for working to pay for a better, healthier lifestyle. or go and get a job and do it themselves.Ok has someone who is force to pay about £100 in national insurant and another £300 in income tax, tell my why I am subsiding the following for you:
Children’s yours and husbands health care
Children’s education
Your home thru tax breaks
There a hell of a lot more, but I will be happy if you just pay back the £2000 it cost us for you to have baby for a start.
Or maybe the £30 per week it’s cost me for you to be on the “pill”
Do you think the pi ss poor amount you pay each week in taxes covers all of that?
Oh I forgot the minute you are asked to start paying the real cost for the services that you use, you will moan again.
Do personally very well out of the welfare state, you have taken the handle outs for many years willing. Your one of the last people who should be moaning on about “other people living off the dss” after taking so much.
But that’s not important is it?
All that matter is “those nice animals” and that they have good and fulfilled lives and stopping nasty old people from eating them.
you realy are a moron arent you ?
firstly my husband , myself and both of my children work for a living.do you ?
we all pay tax and national insurance.do you ?
we, as a family claim no benefits of any kind from the state.do you ?
i have never been on the pill and have never had an accidental pregnancy.have you or your partner [if you have one ?]
my husband and myself have never had and will never have any excuse for you or anyone else to pay for our personal needs. can you say the same ?
we own our own home outrite and have no debt apart from a small car loan. do you ? or do you sponge for your rent or mortgage. ?
we have never been through the debtors courts.have you ?
we have never had to claim dss or long term sick pay.have/do you ?
i took time out of my career to have my children. neither you nor anyone else paid for that privelage.
i took time out to raise my children until school age. so no one else paid for their care or up bringing.
i and my husband paid for our childrens education through the nose out of our pay packets. did you ?
you obviously have a problem with people who are more fortunate than you, [or at the worst you are jealous as hell.]
i have not once tried to tell you or anyone else how or why to change your life. yet you try to tell me YOU have paid for me and my family, which is plain bollox.
at no point in any of my posts did i tell you or anyone else how to live or how to eat. i said quite clearly, the way we choose to live is a personal choice.
at no point did i infer that you were doing anythin wrong.
at no point did i ask for your personal and nasty comments.
you have continually said that my lifestyle is paid for by others somehow ? [what part of fu*k you dont you understand you half witted illiterate moron.]
if you want to get personal answer the questions above. but i doubt you will, because i get the distinct impression you are a fat lazy dss scrounger with no morals,no intelligence and no one to keep your pathetic little ego going.
i suggest you go back and re-read ALL the posts made. then sit down for a little while and then come back and admit, that not only are you very wrong, in your assumption that i am a sponger like you. but you are a complete and utter numpty. there is no mud you can sling at me my friend. because, i have always worked i have always paid my way, and i always will.
and in 3 years time, when i retire ten years early because i can afford to. YOU will still be sat on your fat arse scrounging off the state and blaming the government or anyone else for the predicament you will be in. get over it ! you lost the argument.
and if your still feeling pedantic please feel free to tell me, exactly when or where you or anyone else have paid for, or do pay for,my lifestyle choices. idiot.You know I read this crap and you seen to be saying you never got any gov help.
So you or your hubby never got mortgage tax relief
You didn’t claim for tax relief on your kids
You didn’t get family allowance
You paid for all your hospital and doctors bills.
I am sure your hubby didn’t try a claim back some of your kid’s school fees from the taxman.
You’re not taking the advantage of the pension tax break top up.
Your hubby or yourself never put money in the kid’s names to avoid paying tax on your savings.
Has you get older I am going to be force to pay all your medical bills, will be forced to pay for your home help and in the end forced to pay for your rest home.
Has a single man with no kids who start work at 16, why I am subsiding your family?
Why am I paying for your life style?
What do I get back for my money?
Answer nothing
Your family is cost me about £200 per week and in turn you think you can tell me what to eat, how to think and what to do.
Your just one more silly tart who thinks everyone has it easy, you work hard, you do your best, but everyone gets hand outs, so that’s why they do better?
It can’t be you can it?
Maybe you should work how just how much you have taken from the rest of us over the last 40 years and stop moaning.
@dead_on_arrvial wrote:
You know I read this crap and you seen to be saying you never got any gov help.
So you or your hubby never got mortgage tax relief
You didn’t claim for tax relief on your kids
You didn’t get family allowance
You paid for all your hospital and doctors bills.
I am sure your hubby didn’t try a claim back some of your kid’s school fees from the taxman.
You’re not taking the advantage of the pension tax break top up.
Your hubby or yourself never put money in the kid’s names to avoid paying tax on your savings.
Has you get older I am going to be force to pay all your medical bills, will be forced to pay for your home help and in the end forced to pay for your rest home.
Has a single man with no kids who start work at 16, why I am subsiding your family?
Why am I paying for your life style?
What do I get back for my money?
Answer nothing
Your family is cost me about £200 per week and in turn you think you can tell me what to eat, how to think and what to do.
Your just one more silly tart who thinks everyone has it easy, you work hard, you do your best, but everyone gets hand outs, so that’s why they do better?
It can’t be you can it?
Maybe you should work how just how much you have taken from the rest of us over the last 40 years and stop moaning.
you are priceless.
firstly you should have stayed at school seing as though you struggle to put a sentence together.
i will answer your points one by one so your carer can read them to you
1 as far as i know mortgage tax relief was scrapped in the late 80s unless im mistaken. in which case yes we will have claimed it. as will every other home owner.
2 child tax relief was also stopped in the late 80s to stop absent fathers claiming tax relief for their unwanted burdens.
3 yes i got child benefit. [it hasnt been called family allowance for 20 years.]
4 having only been in hospital 3 times in my life. twice to give birth and once after an accident. i can pretty much say, yes ive paid my medical bills and doctors bills. thats why i pay national insurance.do you know what that is ? and i have paid it for the last 30 years.
you cannot claim a tax relief on your childrens education when they go to state schools. i dont know about private schooling as i couldnt afford to send them.
both my husband and myself have pensions. his is private and mine was earned through working in the n.h.s.
5 no we havent put money into our childrens names they each have money in trust from an inheritance, not much but it will help them when they get it.
6 as i get older i will pay for my care if and when it is needed. i will be able to do this as i have property and a pension.
7 you are a single man by choice. or because you cant find anyone stupid enough to stay with you long enough to ask your name.
8 you cannot get money back for something you have never paid and will never be capable of paying.
9 how the hell can you be subsidising my family to the tune of £200 per week when you can bareley write a sentence.do you even have a job ?
10 you do not pay for my lifestyle i do. and i suspect i help to pay for yours as well. but thats ok by me i have no problem paying taxes to help people less fortunate than myself. even the mentally ill such as yourself.
11 as far as i am aware i have taken nothing from anyone who pays taxes and insurance the same as i do.
12 i cannot answer your last point as it has no validity in this case.
13 im no tart. im not that lucky. i certainly do not think that people have it easy, as i have said i am fortunate in that i am happily married and have had a good career.
i have worked hard and i am now in a position to slow down a while and enjoy my life.
14 i know you dont like it pet but no, i dont take handouts as i dont qualify for any. but i supose you have a problem with that as well.
15 and finally im not moaning YOU are , and you are moaning because you are a sad loneley bitter little man with too much time on his hands and not enough grey matter to have a life. i would feel sorry for you. BUT IM TOO BUSY LAUGHING AT YOUR PISS POOR ATTEMPT TO BRING ME DOWN TO YOUR LEVEL.
i hope you have a nice life from now on, now that you know for sure that i for one am not endebted to you in any way shape or form. and you dont have to pay for my retirement so go have a day at the sea side. i hear its very nice in alaska. would you like to borrow the air fare, i reckon ill have enough in my penny jar to lend you.xxxYou’re looking a real loser now.
The only people who get tax relief on mortgages are homeowners, from what I remember it was double until 1987. So it would have been about 40% for you.
20 years of family allowance works out at about £31200 without interest.
Your in your 60’s so you would have got the tax relief on your kids, that was worth about £2000 each from what I remember. So you would have claim that for 18 years per child, so that’s what about £72000 at 1980’s prices.
An average hospital stay costs £1000 per day
Has for NHS pensions we all know you contribute a small amount of your income to them and the taxpayer is force to make up the short fall. I wish I could get someone to subsidise my pension plan for 70% like you have.
Has for your kids education, state schools still cost money, about £500 per child per term. So that’s about £11000 for your two.
If your kids when to university before 1996 they where paid full grants at £4000 per year and didn’t have to pay a penny for there 3 year courses. So that would be another £24,000.
I am sure when I think about it there are other things you have had too.
In the last 30 years you have taken about £150,000 without counting mortgage relief and benefits of your pension plan.
On average you have taken £5000 a year in welfare benefits tax-free.
I wish I could do that.
Current job seekers allowance is about £60 per week or about £3000 per year for a single person.
Guess who’s cost the tax payer more?
How did this subject stretch to these levels????
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