Depression

Dodger, take it your an american ….

Sophia wrote:

Scep, i am happy to say ive never lost my spark :) And i am thankful for that. I have thick skin and a happy healthy attitude and the love of a good man . It must be my hard Cancerian outer shell not many people can crack it

Soph,

The love of your bloke can certainly do it.

But also looking out for others, to help others, to lift them up when they fall.

I’d love to do this, but so often fail, my own failures of character being part of that.

To my mind,  if you think only of yourself you get sucked into an emotional vortex

That isn’t the same as selfish. Many selfish people around who don’t get depressed because they couldn’t give a fig about what happens to others. Like the driver who never crashes, but always laughs when he looks at the rear view mirror and sees all the crashes behind him .

I mean that when we’re plunged into  troubles we become absorbed with our problems and can’t thin beyond them. That’s why help from someone who cares or is caring can make a difference, sometimes a decisive difference .

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why do some people get depression and others do not.   I have had an extremely bad relationship with my mum who told me I was no good and never supported me.   She was a controlling manipulative woman and I hated being in her company and despite all of this I do not suffer from depression.   She passed away almost two years ago and I am not sorry because I no longer have to deal with her.

rudeboy wrote:

I hope things improve for you Echo but would question whether depression is a mental illness or a natural state of affairs to a finite existence. Society decrees in what is perceived to be a normal life for the first 15-22 years of life we attend educational establishments normally learning material that has no relevance in the real world unless your course/degree is tailor made to a specific job. Then society demands for the next 45 years we all work in jobs which can be underpaid, mundane whilst paying extortionate prices for piles of bricks and mortar juggling obscene charges/bills in tax /energy companies etc. On top of that we all have to negotiate the daily risks of crime being stabbed/ robbed which have been alluded to on the other thread, responsibilities entailed with children/relatives etc

At the age of 65 or thereabouts society allows us to get off the rat race wheel of work with a persons best years behind them, with using a median average of life expectancy, less than 15 years left before oblivion( unless you are religious) which I’m not. Even then many of these years are likely to be dogged by ill health, suffering and possibly poverty issues as many pensioners are unable to survive on the meagre pensions paid out. The blueprint is hardly conducive to being cheerful is it?

0-16/22 years of age = learning pointless information in a flawed curriculum

22-65 years= rat race of in many cases awful futile job roles in order to be a valuable contributor to society

65 to a likely age of around 80= deteriorating health, mobility issues

80 or when the grim reaper calls= death with everything you were or are at time of death gone forever into oblivion with your corpse either incinerated or left to rot underground eaten by worms

I dont see how anyone being depressed by that set of events is mentally ill, infact I’d say it was a natural reaction to a finite existence with no discernible purpose other than satisfying the whims of each persons own conscious state during the few years we are alive.

Wow, what a response to someone saying they’re depressed. Firstly, thanks for the nihilistic and hopeless outlook on life. Secondly, depression (clinical depression as is being referenced on this thread) is not about feeling negative or hopeless at ones life situation (or the pointlessness of life in general), or going through ‘tough times’ as we all inevitably do experience at multiple points in our lives, but it is a chemical imbalance, an actual illness. It does not matter how positive or ‘upbeat’ someone is (and there are plenty of ways to be positive and look at life differently to how you clearly do) clinical depression means you simply feel dark, anxious and utterly hopeless to the point of despair. It is a dark foreboding blanket that covers everything and will not let up. People suffer with it to differing degrees, thankfully I’ve never had the experience (other than maybe brought on during comedowns from certain drugs), but I can relate to it and I’m sure it’s sheer hell. As for life being as futile as you point out, that is why people turn to religion, and want a hope for the future. You can mock them, or you can find your own way to cope with reality. However, when it comes to working 9-5 jobs for menial pay, that is a choice we all make. Many decide they don’t want that and start a business or find some other way to become successful in life. I never thought much of academia either, I will agree on the point that academic education is woefully outdated and also that particularly in recent times, further education or degrees are no longer a sufficient differentiation in the workplace, and do not guarantee a job or that you won’t struggle. Students leave university in debt and some never really get to the point they’re free and can save for retirement. But again, this is all a choice. No point moaning about it. Just find your own meaning in life and do the best you can. Be a hero, not a victim.

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Chrome wrote:

rudeboy wrote:

I hope things improve for you Echo but would question whether depression is a mental illness or a natural state of affairs to a finite existence. Society decrees in what is perceived to be a normal life for the first 15-22 years of life we attend educational establishments normally learning material that has no relevance in the real world unless your course/degree is tailor made to a specific job. Then society demands for the next 45 years we all work in jobs which can be underpaid, mundane whilst paying extortionate prices for piles of bricks and mortar juggling obscene charges/bills in tax /energy companies etc. On top of that we all have to negotiate the daily risks of crime being stabbed/ robbed which have been alluded to on the other thread, responsibilities entailed with children/relatives etc

At the age of 65 or thereabouts society allows us to get off the rat race wheel of work with a persons best years behind them, with using a median average of life expectancy, less than 15 years left before oblivion( unless you are religious) which I’m not. Even then many of these years are likely to be dogged by ill health, suffering and possibly poverty issues as many pensioners are unable to survive on the meagre pensions paid out. The blueprint is hardly conducive to being cheerful is it?

0-16/22 years of age = learning pointless information in a flawed curriculum

22-65 years= rat race of in many cases awful futile job roles in order to be a valuable contributor to society

65 to a likely age of around 80= deteriorating health, mobility issues

80 or when the grim reaper calls= death with everything you were or are at time of death gone forever into oblivion with your corpse either incinerated or left to rot underground eaten by worms

I dont see how anyone being depressed by that set of events is mentally ill, infact I’d say it was a natural reaction to a finite existence with no discernible purpose other than satisfying the whims of each persons own conscious state during the few years we are alive.

Wow, what a response to someone saying they’re depressed. Firstly, thanks for the nihilistic and hopeless outlook on life. Secondly, depression (clinical depression as is being referenced on this thread) is not about feeling negative or hopeless at ones life situation (or the pointlessness of life in general), or going through ‘tough times’ as we all inevitably do experience at multiple points in our lives, but it is a chemical imbalance, an actual illness. It does not matter how positive or ‘upbeat’ someone is (and there are plenty of ways to be positive and look at life differently to how you clearly do) clinical depression means you simply feel dark, anxious and utterly hopeless to the point of despair. It is a dark foreboding blanket that covers everything and will not let up. People suffer with it to differing degrees, thankfully I’ve never had the experience (other than maybe brought on during comedowns from certain drugs), but I can relate to it and I’m sure it’s sheer hell. As for life being as futile as you point out, that is why people turn to religion, and want a hope for the future. You can mock them, or you can find your own way to cope with reality. However, when it comes to working 9-5 jobs for menial pay, that is a choice we all make. Many decide they don’t want that and start a business or find some other way to become successful in life. I never thought much of academia either, I will agree on the point that academic education is woefully outdated and also that particularly in recent times, further education or degrees are no longer a sufficient differentiation in the workplace, and do not guarantee a job or that you won’t struggle. Students leave university in debt and some never really get to the point they’re free and can save for retirement. But again, this is all a choice. No point moaning about it. Just find your own meaning in life and do the best you can. Be a hero, not a victim.

I do like that post chrome,very well explaned.Thank you.