Depression

mooosey88 wrote:

rudeboy wrote:

I hope things improve for you Echo but would question whether depression is a mental illness or a natural state of affairs to a finite existence. Society decrees in what is perceived to be a normal life for the first 15-22 years of life we attend educational establishments normally learning material that has no relevance in the real world unless your course/degree is tailor made to a specific job. Then society demands for the next 45 years we all work in jobs which can be underpaid, mundane whilst paying extortionate prices for piles of bricks and mortar juggling obscene charges/bills in tax /energy companies etc. On top of that we all have to negotiate the daily risks of crime being stabbed/ robbed which have been alluded to on the other thread, responsibilities entailed with children/relatives etc

At the age of 65 or thereabouts society allows us to get off the rat race wheel of work with a persons best years behind them, with using a median average of life expectancy, less than 15 years left before oblivion( unless you are religious) which I’m not. Even then many of these years are likely to be dogged by ill health, suffering and possibly poverty issues as many pensioners are unable to survive on the meagre pensions paid out. The blueprint is hardly conducive to being cheerful is it?

0-16/22 years of age = learning pointless information in a flawed curriculum

22-65 years= rat race of in many cases awful futile job roles in order to be a valuable contributor to society

65 to a likely age of around 80= deteriorating health, mobility issues

80 or when the grim reaper calls= death with everything you were or are at time of death gone forever into oblivion with your corpse either incinerated or left to rot underground eaten by worms

I dont see how anyone being depressed by that set of events is mentally ill, infact I’d say it was a natural reaction to a finite existence with no discernible purpose other than satisfying the whims of each persons own conscious state during the few years we are alive.

Well if I wasn’t before ……..

cheers Sweet Pea

you’re welcome

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mooosey88, Nemesis

Jamie I do agree. I never had issues with you ever and was unaware of them till you really surfaced with it.. I not ever judged you or do today. As you know I often say we all not perfect. I am happy for you. Keep it up. Never let it bring you down. Think of those grandchildren or child who needs you in their life. You are a symbol that helps lead their life to what future holds. As I say to anyone in my real life out of Jc..you need listening ear..need me..just pick up phone and call. I do now when off from work, check in make sure clients ok..when on holiday as well.. I know what it is to be all alone as well, abused mentally..emotionally physically. Last time 11 years ago..I was working in the field as well then. Helping others..they helped me too. Together we found our strengths..most likely why got in the field because I was in same situation. Related to them.

Funny having a conversation about this earlier directly with another.. laine and I work in same lines but she bit higher up on ladder than me..I stopped as I could not find time to intern more, or go for masters as both parents got ill..I stopped.. but I think our personalities as a helper..worker..dedication to see others pick up move forward bring professionals all rewards look for. Speaking about me..my opinion..

As far as Mizzy..I so so so tried. She frustrate me as she refused those baby steps. You have to really want help to get better. My opinion she not want it, rejected it..laughed at it. I do hope she well after the numerous things she did to drag me down with her. But sadly she made me breach a boundary. I lost it. She too good for me. I could not get handle and grip on it. She attacked my weakness. Held up stronger than me. I realized she made me feel weak, low..dragged me down to her level..and that is when I had to climb back up. Remember whom I am. What I do..and why in first place..will never ever let some one take punches at me again when I am not looking..

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Sassey

Nemesis wrote:

My plan is to move to the USA eventually, summer 2021 when lil un has finished school and leaves for uni. I need space, land…

I need somewhere to rest my head, enough food to eat, and books, lots of books 😊

How close are your nearest neighbours rude? I want somewhere that i see trees and water not houses and people. There are so many places in the US that offer seclusion, real solitude. You dont drive, forget going anywhere, even the shop. (Learning to drive will be fun!)

Id have a rain barrel for water, generator or solar power, grow my own veg and hunt for meat. I so shoulda have been a cavewoman! Seriously, i want to spend my days watching the world not a tv, id rather stalk a deer than troll in a chatroom.

My closest neighbour is a few hundred meters away and hardly any other houses- nearest shop is 7 miles away so in England I’m as isolated as it gets probably… just how I| like it. I cant stand people and their dramas/noise . I have my car to get into town so perfect really.

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Sassey

nem, you sound as though you’re ready for cbt.

It can work, it can be helpful.

But it doesn’t work for everybody.

If it doesn’t work, then post again, or get in touch somehow, and I’ll try to give some advice on why it hasn’t worked, and less hopefully what may need to be done.

But it should work. You sound ready for it.

Fight the good fight, you and Jamie.

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jamief