Dennis Waterman

@londonseagull wrote:

You’ve lost it.

No, I think you have.

And as for a woman coming at you with a knife, well you probably deserved. :wink:

@mrs_teapot wrote:

Errrm….. whats going on here… looks like fantasy land… lets stick to the facts OK

He admits he beat her three or four times and that he used his fists…. when asked why he said because he could not win a verbal argument with her….BTW the police were involved when she came to after being knocked unconscious she rang the police… she decided not to press charges but she did leave him after that beating and subsequently divorced him. There has never been any inference that she was violent to him.

Its amazing even when the guy admits he did it… you are still looking for ways to blame the woman….. what chance do battered women have… unbelievable!

Yes, that’s my understanding of it.

@londonseagull wrote:

@wordsworth60 wrote:

@londonseagull wrote:

@terry wrote:

Has admitted (on tv) that he once gave his wife a black eye. :?

She probably deserved it.

Ah well, joke or not, at least I’ve just found out it’s not just Chameleon can make me feel a bit sick on these boards.

Violence as a response to verbals?

No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No! No!

And in case that didn’t make my point, No!

And that’s regardless of how ‘intelligent and powerful’ the words are.

Physical action to prevent or restrain genuine physical aggression is one thing. Striking the first blow in an argument? Never!.

And that probably says more about your political correctness than it does about light heartedness. Read what Pols says, she makes sense, you just drivel. Women have no right to drive men (or otherwise) to distraction and then bleat physical abuse because of the consequences. Everyone has a breaking point irrelevant of sex.

Thank you for your perspective LS, you are entitled to disagree with me and your revulsion seems genuine. Despite this, I wish you were less dismissive and insulting of my point of view, it is as valid as your own.

I was describing a genuine gut reaction. Whether it stems from my political correctness or not is untested and in itself doesn’t make it inappropriate.

According to a telegraph article, Rula Lenska, the wife in question, has said: “There were times when he hit me. I became the object of his hate,” “It got so bad that he became abusive to me and my daughter, and the last time it happened I had to run out of the house in tears.”

Mr Waterman’s explanation, quoted from the interview, was: “We were going through a horrible time and arguing a lot. “The problem with strong, intelligent women is that they can argue, well. And if there is a time where you can’t get a word in … and I … I lashed out. I couldn’t end the argument.
“Something must have brought it on. When frustration builds up and you can’t think of a way out … It happened and I’m very, very ashamed of it.”

Describing the events, he admitted he might have “drunk too much” to remember details, and said: “I must have punched her one time ’cause she did have a black eye. Afterwards, I felt utterly ashamed.”

No indication of violence on her part from either of them and he doesn’t appear to think it was justified, despite the semantic argument of whether she was “beaten” or “hit”, which seemed to depend on how habitual the behaviour was and how cowed she was.

F_pol’s comments about victims of violence goading someone into hitting make a valid point. But ultimately physical violence is always a choice, even when the consequences or alternatives seem untenable. Even though provocation can be present and severe, ultimately the accountability lies with the hitter and I’m prepared to give Mr Waterman credit for not ducking the issue when asked.

Alcohol can take away the capacity to decide clearly and the inhibitions which would usually prevent violence – Mr Waterman seems to hint at that too by citing his drunkenness.

@londonseagull wrote:

Wordsworth, I find you a very articulate poster and if I came across and a ‘knob’ I apologise. I wasn’t talking about Mr Waterman personally, I was talking in general. Women do, many times, cause men to lose their temper, and whether or not it is right, men will retaliate. It may be repulsive, which is not defendable, but sometimes, just sometimes, these women really do deserve a punch. My ex wife once told me she deliberately got me angry in order to get a reaction. I didn’t punch her however, I just told her to get out of the room and proceeded to rip it apart. Women are not stupid, they know what they are doing.

Apology accepted, experience acknowledged, point taken.

@panda12 wrote:

@londonseagull wrote:

Wordsworth, I find you a very articulate poster and if I came across and a ‘knob’ I apologise. I wasn’t talking about Mr Waterman personally, I was talking in general. Women do, many times, cause men to lose their temper, and whether or not it is right, men will retaliate. It may be repulsive, which is not defendable, but sometimes, just sometimes, these women really do deserve a punch. My ex wife once told me she deliberately got me angry in order to get a reaction. I didn’t punch her however, I just told her to get out of the room and proceeded to rip it apart. Women are not stupid, they know what they are doing.

Children cause their fathers’s to lose their temper as well. Is it okay for the father to lose it and hit the children?

Men, woman and children who resort to violence whatever the provocation need help.

Mums don’t hit kids? Grow up.