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Who’s giving their oopinion as facts, mister q?

I assert my opinion strongly. That doesn’t mean to say I’m right, or wrong for that matter. I assert it strongly because it forces someone who doesn’t agree to define their terms and sharpen their argument in a way which should be beneficial – though they often take things personally and resort to personal attack or abuse, but that’s the risk run.

A strong assertion of opinion doesn’t mean to say that opinion is fact. It means you’re throwing down a challenge, and expecting it to be answered.

sceptical guy wrote:

rudeboy wrote:

Do you think Dostoevsky’s account in The Possessed is salacious??

I’ve no idea as I haven’t read it . The whole point evidently missed which I’ll repeat , is that these authors and even works in their own right contained other themes rather than solely focusing on abuse. Using an analogy, if a film was three hours long containing violence , love , death , life and rape , you would be hard pressed to classify the film as basking in gratuitous sexual deviancy but if the same director had film after film of no other content than rape/ incest / buggery it changes the dynamics entirely

And that really is the point. You hadn’t read The Possessed, but you assumed that it proved that I was a pervert, or at least had a pervert’s interest in literature.

Dostoevsky deal with the rape in retrospect, and it is given half a sentence – “After I had finished” was Stavrogin’s confession. The horror comes in teh child’s reaction – ‘I have killed God’. Her suicide by hanging is described very indirectly through Stavrogin’s looking through the keyhole.

Thereafter Stavrogin was a dead man walking. “It is better that such a man had never been born”, as Jesus once said of the topic. My guess is that is the fate of Ian Huntley and other child-rapist/killers, haunted by the memory of a trusting child traumatised by an act of pure evil.

Dexy’s account isn’t salacious, not in this poem anyway.

Best not jump to conclusions, and I’ll try my hardest not to as well.

I was half hoping for a semi intelligent response scep but stopped reading at ” Jesus said”

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sceptical guy wrote:

ah, well, that saying is central to Dostoevsky, a deeply Christian writer who is said to have inspired Einstein to develop his relativity theory.

His novel, Crime and Punishment, is based on Christian morality with regard to murder.

I don’t close my eyes when people mention things I don’t believe, especially when it comes to literature on the level of Dostoevsky

I close my eyes to much of what you write sceptical as it’s complete drivel from start to finish. If you want to use a 2000 year old book of mythical fairy tales as a template to base your argument on, why not join the Disney forums and post about Mickey mouse or Donald duck and stop wasting my time.

Incidentally, your continual drawing of parallels between issues that are irrelevant is hilarious such as your assumption that anyone who mocks you is symptomatic of right wing thinking. I can just imagine you at home looking through social media of people convicted of speeding desperately hunting for a Tommy Robinson badge in a vacuous attempt to conclude right wing ideology is conducive to motoring offences as you believe all anti trump marchers ( asking for censorship and banning him) are chuntering to work in a car at 20 MPH using slowing decaying fig leaves as fuel.

Whilst we are on the topic of censorship, how many “right wingers”  at Tommy Robinson marches want to censor xmas because it offends other religions, censor the selling of pork in subway ,  want to ban white men getting jobs to promote positive discrimination and want to ban the president of the USa entering the UK.

Come on sceptical old boy , you can do it- stop closing your eyes when you read things you can’t answer and deal with points raised. I notice you have no response to my EU post over two months ago despite assurances of ” I will answer in due course” as it’s simply material out of your depth unless you are referring to isolated crimes convincing yourself  its symptomatic of right wing behaviour again regurgitating the same old guff like  a backfiring third world lavatory bowl.

sceptical guy wrote:

Sorry, as you’re not reading what I say, you’ve not noticed that I was talking about Dostoevsky, not the Bible.

I’m much more critical of the Bible than you are, especially the New Testament, as I have more knowledge of it. It’s not my template. But that’s not relevant to this thread is it? We’re talking about the character of Stavrogin in The Possessed. Where relelvant, I’ll answer about Dostoevesky’s Christianity.

The EU ditto. I responded to your post on the EU a long while ago, both directly and indirectly. Read it again, and if you want to take up the argument, present it as an argument rather than a series of bullet-points from a Brexit propaganda bulletin And present it as an argument on the relevant thread, not this one. I’m not repsonding to any EU stuff here, unless it’s relevant, and even then not until some time in September. But wait, you’ve decided not to read what I say, anyway!

So I’m still waiting to hear about the Far Right approach to cultural ‘degeneracy’ Cheap sarcasm has been the response, so far. Do you lot have a unified approach? Many of the people in the Far Right, both in the UK and USA, see ‘Christian civilisation’ as under threat from Islam. That obviously doesn’t appeal to you (nor to me), but it seems that you share some of their wowser attitudes to modernist literature.

Never mind, crude sarcasm and accusation can always be used instead of argument. it worked in the EU debate (though look at the state we’re in now as a result)!

You haven’t answered a single question posed to you and instead  drool about far right again. It’s no wonder on here the people you claim to be friends with avoid you like the plague and can’t stand you… come back when you can stick to the topic in hand instead of dribbling about far right and ” you lot” .

You claim the bible isn’t relevant to the thread but witter on about Jesus before being pulled up on it . You claim the far right are about censorship when ” your lot ” are so saturated in political correctness begging for censorship they could double up as a sponge. Go and drone on about  Dostoeveskys goat poem and right wing censorship to someone who cares- you bore the hell out of me with your mindless arguments old man. I can’t take someone seriously complaining about right wing “censorship” when snowflakes like you march on the street scream about censoring the leader of the free world flying a baby balloon above London. You’re just as ridiculous as Q without the “lols” and hide your overall ignorance by quoting obscure articles/, works/ news clips of isolated assaults linking it into some bizarre argument you claim vindicates your political stance … not that its relevant to a poem in the first place  but it doesn’t prevent your nonsense .

• This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by  rudeboy.

I’d actually resurrect the EU thread to show you have answered nothing Sceptical, but hundreds of mindless Q threads clutter the board and have no intent to wade through his posts suffering  manic breakdowns of laughter to find it.