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@panda12 wrote:
Well it’s a good job that some ppl somewhere decided they were a “victim” else we wouldn’t have any laws against race, sex, age and disability discrimination.
I wonder if these ppl really were victims or if they were just playing at it. :-k
I have to agree Panda yes it was good that someone did decide they were a victim and hence our laws now in place, that can’t be denied and was definately a good thing.
And i am in no way saying there arent people who are genuine and indeed victims of alot of abuse not just racial either, that too isn’t fair or indeed right.
But i still maintain the sooner the less serious offences ie something was put in this paper but this wasn’t stuff goes on, stops the sooner people will stop seeing the differences in people because they won’t be constantly highlighted for no real good reason. Like i said in another post whats gone is gone look forward and forget the differences forget whats gone on in the past and deal with and live in the present and be who you want to be and no ones victim.@panda12 wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Well it’s a good job that some ppl somewhere decided they were a “victim” else we wouldn’t have any laws against race, sex, age and disability discrimination.
I wonder if these ppl really were victims or if they were just playing at it. :-k
I wonder if you’re really wondering or just playing at it . . .. . .
Someone somewhere set the precedent.
I blame the bloody barons, give em grace and favour and all you want in return is for their vassals to die in battle and to recognise your divine right. Then they turn up with their soddin’ Magna Carta and all hell breaks loose, we were happier when only the good/bad King had rights and everyone else knew their place. What’s wrong with a decent dunghill anyway?
Is forgetting the past the only way forward? What happened to the old phrase “Those who don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it’s mistakes”?
If we have to tear up bits history so that we can feel comfortable about the present, then where do we stop?
If if the principle of a single human race is true then it will not suffer because of the re-telling of facts, even unpleasant ones. Facts actually help to establish the truth, and it’s important that we consider as many of the facts as we can muster and that we take into account the different perspectives involved.
If we have a system that is open to misuse then we need to be robust enough to thwart the misusers. We also need to be open enough to recognise those in genuine need and the different levels of need that exist. Focusing only on those who might misuse the system will lead to a bleak inhumanity. Focusing only on the victims will lead to a naiive gullibility.
But always, always those most in the wrong are those who perpetuate the injustice and abuse in the first place, without them there would be no system to misuse. Whether we’re talking about an assailant who picks targets based on their identity or a news media which gives us a biased fraction of the available news. That’s where our negativity should be focused.
If genuine victims or those who represent them are always branded wolf-criers and point scorers then they will back off and we will only hear from the wolf-criers. Then where will the genuine victims go?
We shouldn;t forget history at all but don’t live in it… and you say about bleating on the negative well lets remember the positive aspects of history too… no remember the positives more
@(f)politics? wrote:
We shouldn;t forget history at all but don’t live in it… and you say about bleating on the negative well lets remember the positive aspects of history too… no remember the positives more
Bleat? Where are the sheep?
History is history, we only know what has survived and been recorded. Positive? negative? who knows? As far as I am concerned I am part of a legacy of an unremittingly negative aspect of our history. That my ancestors survived is positive, separating the two is impossible.
Some say we shouldn’t judge the past by today’s standards, I say we have little alternative really, as our current standards are the product of lessons learnt.
Oh, I dunno, I just live my life as happily as I can – end of! :D
Me too anc … bad things have happened in my life … have I learned from them? Well maybe… would i share them? … never. Move on is my motto…. as long as my family is happy.. and we have health… its today and the future that matters, our tomorrows dont last forever.
@(f)politics? wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
Well it’s a good job that some ppl somewhere decided they were a “victim” else we wouldn’t have any laws against race, sex, age and disability discrimination.
I wonder if these ppl really were victims or if they were just playing at it. :-k
Like i said in another post whats gone is gone look forward and forget the differences forget whats gone on in the past and deal with and live in the present and be who you want to be and no ones victim.
I’m afraid I find that to be somewhat idealistic and a far too simple view.
It is easy to say “be who you want to be and no one’s victim” but for some ppl that is easier said than done.
Take this example:
“Four police officers will face misconduct proceedings over their force’s failure to properly help the family of Fiona Pilkington, who killed herself and her severely disabled daughter in 2007 after years of torment by youths, the police watchdog said.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/24/fiona-pilkington-police-misconduct-proceedings
Fiona Pilkington didn’t want herself and her daughter to be “victims” – she and her family and neighbours did everything they could to avoid it but were ignored by the powers that be.
Then there’s the double suicide of two women who complained to police of harrassment:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/02/double-suicide-complained-harassment-to-police
There’s also children committing suicide because they are being bullied:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10302550
I’m sure all these dead ppl would have loved to have just been who they wanted to be and no one’s victim.
Got to be worth a pause for thought
@wordsworth60 wrote:
Got to be worth a pause for thought
Indeed. Perhaps all those ppl are dead because others thought they were playing at being a victim?
Who decides who is playing and who decides who is not?
And therein lies the danger in this “culture of victims” ideology.
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