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13 September, 2008 at 12:07 pm #370752
What a great thread.
Have only scrolled through about half of this lot and WELL impressed with the contributions ! I’m glad there are people out there and chat buddies who know what it’s all about. My respect goes to the network around the drug-addict, who suffer and understand a great deal; most of us do have some experience of this after all, even if indirectly.
PMSL @ the Pikey fella and Stephen
xNow all lean forward……..that’s right…… and I shall adorn your dainty necks with JC garlands for……..staying on topic beautifully while having a laff.
the Winehouse lady is something else. Watch her and you’ll see, yeah well-crafted songs of course, but also a magnetic, involving diva of the car-crash ilk, and who demands your attention. Indubitably a star.
13 September, 2008 at 12:09 pm #370753@bon bon wrote:
@pete wrote:
Amy and George werent driven by inner demons to be addicts either and i’d rather they werent and hadnt been, so i dont get the wishing harm on them. It’s their rich and famous life style and not inner demons that caused it though. Do we extend this sympathy to others who cant help it are driven to it, serial killers for example arent they driven by inner demons. It’s a lack of sympathy for their escape route not the reasons for the need to escape and thats for the few who do genuinly need to escape not those who choose to live the rock and roll lifestyle
As for George how do the friends and family of his donor feel nowthey probably feel they gave someone a chance of life
maybe they dont know who got it, i have no idea
it could have gone to any anonomous alcoholic who may have done exactly the same
but as sian said and I have saidwalk a mile in their shoes before you judge
and unless you have no one can persuade me they have any idea what its like to be an addict
i disagree bon. george best got that liver because of his celeb status…..and he was being treated by his own private doctors in a private clinic. any nhs hospital or liver surgeon working in one wouldnt dream of giving a new liver to an alcoholic.it would have gone to someone who desperately needed it for health reasons beyond their control.not self inflicted ones.
13 September, 2008 at 12:14 pm #370754@esmeralda wrote:
@*Sian wrote:
Pat you are talking about people who go out on the weekend and drop copious amounts of drugs then probably don’t even have a tickle in the week, these people could become addicts but nobody would be able to tell which ones would and wouldn’t.
I smoke and drink, I am still an addict in some way, my mum feels for me smoking the way I do, she has been stopped for years, I manage it for a while ( longest 2 years) but I struggled for the whole 2 years, :roll: :lol: I think I have an addictive nature, anything I do regular enough I become addicted :lol: :oops:
Everyone has the right to their own thoughts but a bit of compassion can go along way 8)
Look, this isn’t really about compassion or not having compassion. In a nutshell. it’s about so-called ‘celebrity’ addicts being lauded, admired, feted – whilst Jo Bloggs addict is mocked, jeered and derided.
I’m addicted to morphine..insofar as I can’t stop it without horrendous withdrawal symptoms. Every so often, the toxins build up in my system, my kidneys pack in blah blah blah. The worst thing is the hallucinations, and the worst of those in January 2006, were so foul and debauched and overwhelmingly terrifying, that weeks later I remember swearing that never again would I blame an addict for doing whatever..WHATEVER it took to get a fix. So I DO understand, and I know how easy it is to become addicted. It’s just neither big nor clever, that’s all.ive stayed well clear of this thread til 2day, i have read the whole 20 odd pages….
and what springs to my mind, people can’t put their own opintions on screen without someone trying to belittle them, or others jumping on the bandwagon….. because of person opinions.. each of us have and are entitled to voice their OWN opintion, why u don’t agree to disagree on the subject…?? end of…
I do how ever have been a smoker of the el weed…. have done since i was 30, more so the last 4 yrs, now i talking of grass not solid chemical cut shyte…. I don’t drink as dues to medication and plus I can’t handle it anymore… I havent had a joint since my last trip to Amsterdam 20th June, as did abit of soul searching while off my face on the many joys Amsterdam has to offer, plus talking with the locals…. wither people think its right or wrong, it was my choice to smoke the J’s in the first place, no-one forced me, I thought id be crawling the ceiling when I got back wishing another J, but no had it in my heid I wasnt being ripped off by the dealers for what they sell and what you get.. i’ll save for Amsterdam again. and to prove to myself i wasnt addicted, the only thing i miss about it my medication is been up’d to cope with the pain in my knee…. yes the grass did help me thru 2 operations and the endless physio, also my doctor did know I also used it, he never once told me off or was judgemental to MY choices……
with the drink also I proably yrs ago til I had my daughter was borderline alcky, as all my life has been brought up in the pub life, I did on many occassions have the hair of the dog, in a coffee cup in the mornings to kick-start my day, I also drank continusly once finished my shifts etc… and when I found out I was 3 and half months pregnat at 27 I was comvinced it was the vodka or drink affecting the tests…. then was the day I did stop drinkin, hense why I call my lass Angel, but after she was born and I came back down to the hard reality of bringin life into this world without being prepared, I once again turned to the bottle, nitey once the babe was down sleeping, Id open a bottle or 2 and sit and self pity myself, trying to blame everyone BUT MYSELF, as at the end of the day I only had myself to blame….. I then capped the drinking and started enjoying being a mother….
thse days my vices r in table form painkillers, 8 x 500mg paracetmel, plus 8 x 50mg tramadol, this is daily, but sum days id add another few because of the pain… I can’t take morphine as omg trippy times on that 1 and as Esme said the hallucations, plus I didnt know if I was here or somwhere else….
each of us have stories to share, vices they have, but each of us have the CHOICE, I won’t bore u all any longer, but the point I am trying to say, everyone of us have OUR OWN OPINTIONS and thats the end of, not everyone will agree or disagree, but LIFE is about choice, and we each have that…..
13 September, 2008 at 12:14 pm #370755@pats wrote:
@bon bon wrote:
@pete wrote:
Amy and George werent driven by inner demons to be addicts either and i’d rather they werent and hadnt been, so i dont get the wishing harm on them. It’s their rich and famous life style and not inner demons that caused it though. Do we extend this sympathy to others who cant help it are driven to it, serial killers for example arent they driven by inner demons. It’s a lack of sympathy for their escape route not the reasons for the need to escape and thats for the few who do genuinly need to escape not those who choose to live the rock and roll lifestyle
As for George how do the friends and family of his donor feel nowthey probably feel they gave someone a chance of life
maybe they dont know who got it, i have no idea
it could have gone to any anonomous alcoholic who may have done exactly the same
but as sian said and I have saidwalk a mile in their shoes before you judge
and unless you have no one can persuade me they have any idea what its like to be an addict
i disagree bon. george best got that liver because of his celeb status…..and he was being treated by his own private doctors in a private clinic. any nhs hospital or liver surgeon working in one wouldnt dream of giving a new liver to an alcoholic.it would have gone to someone who desperately needed it for health reasons beyond their control.not self inflicted ones.
That I agree with. The NHS wouldnt give my dad a new liver cos he was an alcoholic. He didnt have the means to go private
13 September, 2008 at 12:15 pm #370756PAUL Gascoigne was rushed to casualty in Portugal with a suspected drugs overdose hours after fleeing a rehab clinic there to get wasted.
He did a runner to a five-star hotel — but when ex-wife Sheryl, 42, and 21-year-old daughter Bianca begged him to return, he told them: “F*** off.”Sad case … a previous brush with medic for Paul Gascoigne
Then the soccer legend said they should leave him to die.
Cops later radioed for an ambulance after finding him collapsed.
The shambling alcoholic was recovering in hospital last night after having his stomach pumped.
A source close to the ex-England ace confirmed: “He was taken in with a suspected overdose of pills and alcohol.
“Police were called because of some troubles at the hotel.
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“He was semi-conscious when emergency services arrived there — and he had a girl with him.”
Jobless Gazza, 41, tried to play down the scare. Sneaking out of the A & E ward for a crafty cig, he croaked: “I broke my hip and I’ve come here to have it assessed.”
But the source said: “He was sedated and medics washed out his stomach.”
The drama in Vilamoura came 24 hours after he scarpered from a rehab centre in nearby Tunes.
Eighteen years after England pal Gary Lineker famously comforted weeping Gazza in the World Cup, the contrast in their lives couldn’t be starker.
Clean-cut Lineker, 47, is engaged to La Senza sexbomb Danielle Bux after forging a lucrative career as the nation’s top TV soccer pundit and crisp salesman.
Meanwhile Gazza’s frantic pals fear his final crunch is looming ever closer.
and here is another example of time.money.re hab.sympathy…empathy…..and tolerance being wasted and thrown back in the faces of those who do their best to help.
me????….i think…let the coont rot.13 September, 2008 at 12:16 pm #370757George Best says:
But George says he hopes to prove his wife and his consultant wrong.
We all live in hope, hope is all some people have.
13 September, 2008 at 12:22 pm #370758@abitofmary_j wrote:
@esmeralda wrote:
@*Sian wrote:
Pat you are talking about people who go out on the weekend and drop copious amounts of drugs then probably don’t even have a tickle in the week, these people could become addicts but nobody would be able to tell which ones would and wouldn’t.
I smoke and drink, I am still an addict in some way, my mum feels for me smoking the way I do, she has been stopped for years, I manage it for a while ( longest 2 years) but I struggled for the whole 2 years, :roll: :lol: I think I have an addictive nature, anything I do regular enough I become addicted :lol: :oops:
Everyone has the right to their own thoughts but a bit of compassion can go along way 8)
Look, this isn’t really about compassion or not having compassion. In a nutshell. it’s about so-called ‘celebrity’ addicts being lauded, admired, feted – whilst Jo Bloggs addict is mocked, jeered and derided.
I’m addicted to morphine..insofar as I can’t stop it without horrendous withdrawal symptoms. Every so often, the toxins build up in my system, my kidneys pack in blah blah blah. The worst thing is the hallucinations, and the worst of those in January 2006, were so foul and debauched and overwhelmingly terrifying, that weeks later I remember swearing that never again would I blame an addict for doing whatever..WHATEVER it took to get a fix. So I DO understand, and I know how easy it is to become addicted. It’s just neither big nor clever, that’s all.ive stayed well clear of this thread til 2day, i have read the whole 20 odd pages….
and what springs to my mind, people can’t put their own opintions on screen without someone trying to belittle them, or others jumping on the bandwagon….. because of person opinions.. each of us have and are entitled to voice their OWN opintion, why u don’t agree to disagree on the subject…?? end of…
I do how ever have been a smoker of the el weed…. have done since i was 30, more so the last 4 yrs, now i talking of grass not solid chemical cut shyte…. I don’t drink as dues to medication and plus I can’t handle it anymore… I havent had a joint since my last trip to Amsterdam 20th June, as did abit of soul searching while off my face on the many joys Amsterdam has to offer, plus talking with the locals…. wither people think its right or wrong, it was my choice to smoke the J’s in the first place, no-one forced me, I thought id be crawling the ceiling when I got back wishing another J, but no had it in my heid I wasnt being ripped off by the dealers for what they sell and what you get.. i’ll save for Amsterdam again. and to prove to myself i wasnt addicted, the only thing i miss about it my medication is been up’d to cope with the pain in my knee…. yes the grass did help me thru 2 operations and the endless physio, also my doctor did know I also used it, he never once told me off or was judgemental to MY choices……
with the drink also I proably yrs ago til I had my daughter was borderline alcky, as all my life has been brought up in the pub life, I did on many occassions have the hair of the dog, in a coffee cup in the mornings to kick-start my day, I also drank continusly once finished my shifts etc… and when I found out I was 3 and half months pregnat at 27 I was comvinced it was the vodka or drink affecting the tests…. then was the day I did stop drinkin, hense why I call my lass Angel, but after she was born and I came back down to the hard reality of bringin life into this world without being prepared, I once again turned to the bottle, nitey once the babe was down sleeping, Id open a bottle or 2 and sit and self pity myself, trying to blame everyone BUT MYSELF, as at the end of the day I only had myself to blame….. I then capped the drinking and started enjoying being a mother….
thse days my vices r in table form painkillers, 8 x 500mg paracetmel, plus 8 x 50mg tramadol, this is daily, but sum days id add another few because of the pain… I can’t take morphine as omg trippy times on that 1 and as Esme said the hallucations, plus I didnt know if I was here or somwhere else….
each of us have stories to share, vices they have, but each of us have the CHOICE, I won’t bore u all any longer, but the point I am trying to say, everyone of us have OUR OWN OPINTIONS and thats the end of, not everyone will agree or disagree, but LIFE is about choice, and we each have that…..
Mary..I applaud you!!! =D> =D> =D>
13 September, 2008 at 12:28 pm #370759Pats
I never knew that because I didnt pay any attention to circumstances surrounding his transplant
does that mean, that in an NHS hospital, an alcoholic would not be given the chance of a new liver?
I don’t know what I think about that :?
I stand by everything I say about addiction because I know something about it
but I am willing to listen to others points of view on other matters such as the one you raised and take it on boardIf I were asked to choose between two people who needed a liver I would probably choose the one who had the least chance of ruining it
and that would be the non alcoholic(and who the feck brought George Best into it)
13 September, 2008 at 12:33 pm #370760@toybulldog wrote:
What a great thread.
Have only scrolled through about half of this lot and WELL impressed with the contributions ! I’m glad there are people out there and chat buddies who know what it’s all about. My respect goes to the network around the drug-addict, who suffer and understand a great deal; most of us do have some experience of this after all, even if indirectly.
PMSL @ the Pikey fella and Stephen
xNow all lean forward……..that’s right…… and I shall adorn your dainty necks with JC garlands for……..staying on topic beautifully while having a laff.
Do I get a JC garland Toy ?
I’ve tried to be goodthe Winehouse lady is something else. Watch her and you’ll see, yeah well-crafted songs of course, but also a magnetic, involving diva of the car-crash ilk, and who demands your attention. Indubitably a star.
13 September, 2008 at 12:39 pm #370761whoops
I think I buggered it up a bit there ^^^^^^ :shock: -
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