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The guy is bankrupt, and had gone to court intending to argue that he could not afford the £500 a month payments demanded by the council towards their £11,600 bill for prosecuting him. He has already paid off £1,600.
As he’s bankrupt, he couldn’t pay the fine and got chucked in prison instead, unlike most bankruptee’s who have them written off by the state.Under the health act of 2006, it is the responsibility of the owner or the controller of “smoke free” space to uphold the law. It is not illegal to smoke in a shop, pub or on a train. It is illegal for the owner or controller of the space to allow you to smoke.
So smoke everywhere you like and the most that can happen is the owner can ask you to stop. He is not a policeman, he has no legal powers to physically stop you smoking and no one can be prosecuted for smoking a cigarette in a smoke free area*For example, it is not permitted for BT to allow smoking in their phoneboxes, but it is THEIR responsibility to stop you from smoking in one.
@quiet_man wrote:
Under the health act of 2006, it is the responsibility of the owner or the controller of “smoke free” space to uphold the law. It is not illegal to smoke in a shop, pub or on a train. It is illegal for the owner or controller of the space to allow you to smoke.
So smoke everywhere you like and the most that can happen is the owner can ask you to stop. He is not a policeman, he has no legal powers to physically stop you smoking and no one can be prosecuted for smoking a cigarette in a smoke free area*For example, it is not permitted for BT to allow smoking in their phoneboxes, but it is THEIR responsibility to stop you from smoking in one.
Wrong.
Penalties and fines for breaking the smokefree law
Local councils are responsible for enforcing the new law in England. If you don’t comply with the smokefree law, you will be committing a criminal offence. The fixed penalty notices and maximum fine for each offence are:
Smoking in smokefree premises or work vehicles: a fixed penalty notice of £50 (reduced to £30 if paid in 15 days) imposed on the person smoking. Or a maximum fine of £200 if prosecuted and convicted by a court.Failure to display no-smoking signs: a fixed penalty notice of £200 (reduced to £150 if paid in 15 days) imposed on whoever manages or occupies the smokefree premises or vehicle. Or a maximum fine of £1000 if prosecuted and convicted by a court.
Failing to prevent smoking in a smokefree place: a maximum fine of £2500 imposed on whoever manages or controls the smokefree premises or vehicle if prosecuted and convicted by a court. There is no fixed penalty notice for this offence.
The owner of the premises may face the higher fine for allowing you to smoke, but you don’t get off unpunished…£30 minimum to smoke a cigarette? Are you really that desperate? And selfish enough to put someone else’s livelihood at risk?
The owner of the premises may face the higher fine for allowing you to smoke, but you don’t get off unpunished…£30 minimum to smoke a cigarette? Are you really that desperate? And selfish enough to put someone else’s livelihood at risk?
A joyrider has walked free from court after killing a police dog and injuring two officers in a road smash while three times over the drink-drive limit.
If he had allowed someone to smoke in a public place, he’d be behind bars now.
That’s British justice. That’s why the police don’t bother with real criminals. Catching them is a waste of time. The courts are only interested in politically correct offences.
Now what was that about putting livelyhoods at risk?
Nice deflection :wink:
@quiet_man wrote:
The owner of the premises may face the higher fine for allowing you to smoke, but you don’t get off unpunished…£30 minimum to smoke a cigarette? Are you really that desperate? And selfish enough to put someone else’s livelihood at risk?
A joyrider has walked free from court after killing a police dog and injuring two officers in a road smash while three times over the drink-drive limit.
If he had allowed someone to smoke in a public place, he’d be behind bars now.
That’s British justice. That’s why the police don’t bother with real criminals. Catching them is a waste of time. The courts are only interested in politically correct offences.
Now what was that about putting livelyhoods at risk?
Like PB said he was jailed for non payment of fines, i’m sure the motorist must have been fined, if he doesn’t pay it then he’ll be imprisoned
I watched a programme last night with Billy Connely, it wasn’t one of his comedy ones, it was a serious discussion with his wife.
He was saying that in Canada, you cant smoke anywhere other than your own back yard. While they have this thing in place about smoking, there are apprantly areas in cities where addicts can go and use their needles or take their particular drugs in peace, he said next thing I spose we’ll be having is a special lane for drunk drivers!!! :roll:
But smoking kills far more than drugs and drugs have no passive aspect
Oh well thats ok then! lets have these special drug taking places world wide, bit like the old youth clubs used to be! :roll: :roll:
Why not go the whole hog and start having tesco and asda and sainsburys, selling drugs along with the alchohol and cigarettes :roll:
Because it’s illegal, just the same as it’s illegal to smoke in a public place. Because more people smoke than take drugs doesn’t mean they have the right to ignore the law. Of course we could always have it unregulated in Canada then they could come accross needles lying about, maybe small children coming accross them with the risk of aids and hepatitis because God knows if the smokers have a little tough then the druggies should too, and having to leave a building and smoke in the street where the smoke wont affect others and at the very least make them sting of fags is soooooo tough, against their human rights i shouldn’t be suprised.
The government should stop the sale of cigarettes altogether and i said the same thing 3 yr ago when i smoked@pete wrote:
@quiet_man wrote:
The owner of the premises may face the higher fine for allowing you to smoke, but you don’t get off unpunished…£30 minimum to smoke a cigarette? Are you really that desperate? And selfish enough to put someone else’s livelihood at risk?
A joyrider has walked free from court after killing a police dog and injuring two officers in a road smash while three times over the drink-drive limit.
If he had allowed someone to smoke in a public place, he’d be behind bars now.
That’s British justice. That’s why the police don’t bother with real criminals. Catching them is a waste of time. The courts are only interested in politically correct offences.
Now what was that about putting livelyhoods at risk?
Like PB said he was jailed for non payment of fines, i’m sure the motorist must have been fined, if he doesn’t pay it then he’ll be imprisoned
Care to tell me how a bankrupt can pay a fine? We don’t throw bankrupts into prison either.
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