Cliques and Cliches

Don’t we all belong to groups in some way or another whether by default or by consciously joining a group?

I mean we all belong to the JC Commune. :wink:

@(f)politics? wrote:

a clique although a group is people that exclude others though, and i’m never keen on that, groups of like minded people fine but not with the exclusion of anyone else showing an interest

I see what you mean but I think we all belong to groups whether we intend to or not and exclude people whether we intend to or not.

I can think of the time I lived in a village. I was excluded on many fronts by the locals, even those who thought this was wrong were powerless to do anything.

@(f)politics? wrote:

Panda you said don’t we all belong to groups etc then say you were excluded and others were powerless to do anything abt it, which says in its self cliques aren’t nice, i don’t like cliques but at the same time i also don’t think any person is powerless to do anything abt such exclusions, too many people fear their own exclusions from including people others won’t. Each and everyone us can do something about it if we really wanted to put ourselves on the line for others, sadly not many people do. Self preservation some may say, weak and gutless in my opinion.

I agree with you but your attitude towards cliques on the Gay Marriage thread is somewhat different – you said you “So better they (gay ppl) concentrate on their chosen faith, and each other than worry abt changing the churches views.”

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@(f)politics? wrote:

doesnt mean i would exclude them far from it, i have friends who are gay i have no problems with them at all, i just dont see why the need for so much pc change of many cultural things that make cultures what they are, inclusion is fine but no need to change what is, intergration should be inclusion into what is not changing what is to suit, im sure ur exclusion wasnt done on religious grounds or traditions more likely bigots ?

Sorry but maintaining the status quo for the sake of it is not healthy. Attitudes over time change. One generation may well have different views from another so should we maintain the status quo just out of a nostalgic hankering for the past?

My exclusion from the village I lived in was down to pure prejudice on many fronts, race, wealth, the fact I wasn’t born in the village. I gave up trying to integrate, I wasn’t out to change anything but to fit into what was already there.

@panda12 wrote:

Sorry but maintaining the status quo for the sake of it is not healthy. Attitudes over time change. One generation may well have different views from another so should we maintain the status quo just out of a nostalgic hankering for the past?

My exclusion from the village I lived in was down to pure prejudice on many fronts, race, wealth, the fact I wasn’t born in the village. I gave up trying to integrate, I wasn’t out to change anything but to fit into what was already there.

I think old fashioned views and traditions are sorely missing in many ways yes, the days of men holding a door being offensive to a woman for example was a downward slide, and if thats what moving forward with the modern thinking is all about, it doesnt appeal to me. That said i agree we need to tweak and alter things slightly too, but not uproot everything just to suit a few. Why shouldnt we maintain old values and cultures?
As for your integration i wasnt saying u were trying to change anything, i was merely saying that we shouldnt have to change things, but to include people what ever their sexuality or race into our society is right and proper, every single person has the right to be included, just not at the expense of changing many long held traditions. There has to be a stop button somewhere, or who are we ? what is a christian ? what is a muslim ? what is a buddhist ? And i certainly can’t see other faiths being so free or being as pressured to change their ideals so why should the christian church of england bow down to this pressure ? Far better to spend the time and effort on loving god and each other than trying to fight the church. If people genuinely feel god has no issues with homosexuality then they can continue to worship him from within, which is where it should come from. Faith is far greater than human inclusions.