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@r.O.T.T wrote:
my son came bursting in from the kitchen clearly choking
i did the abdominal thrusts it came out after about the 7th go
I dont want to listen to anyones opinion on thisif anyone dosent know how to do it i suggest you find out it is simple and a life saver
glad it turned out well rott x
Just to sidetrack this thread back onto the original topic (sorry about that people):
I was always taught (when doing my St John’s First Aid Cert) that if a person suffers from an airway being blocked by a foreign object (lump of food; small toy/marble etc) the correct and appropriate First Aid thing to do was to perform the Heimlich manoeuvre to forcibly expel it.
I now learn (from previous posts) that the recommended method of removal is a few sharp blows on the back between the shoulder blades and ONLY if this fails do you move onto the Heimlich method. This is apparently because the Heimlich manoeuvre possibly can break riba or do damage to internal organs.
I found this interesting, because I was always taught that blows to the person’s back could cause the object to become further embedded in their throat / airway rather than be expelled by the force of the blow.
Does anybody have any comments on this, particularly which method of removal is the better???
a baby or small child should be placed over the knee with their head hanging down whilst u slap btween their shoulderblades. an older child should be bent over.only if this doesnt work should u use the heimlich. heimlich is best used on adults.
@Lollipop wrote:
When I did first aid I was told if it was a baby under 12 months old you are supposed to try and remove the object from the throat by putting one clean finger into the mouth and dislodging it. I actually did this to my 9 month old and it worked.
I ended up doing the same, nearly had my whole hand in there, as the slapping just didnt work.
The link ROTT put up explains it, but just for those that can’t be bothered to link or read it, an abbreviated explanation:
I recently did a refresher course, and this is moreorless what they advise now.
If the person is coughing and managing to breathe even though still with a partial obstruction, you leave them to try and clear it themselves.
If they are not breathing or coughing and are clearly choking, they say try the heimlich maneouvre. They say keep persevering even if it doesn’t work immediately. If they pass out, keep doing the subdiaphragmatic abdominal thrusts and then check the throat with a finger for the obstruction and clear it out of the way if you can. Keep at it, don’t stop. Send someone else to get help eg an ambulance.
PB you are right, they don’t say hit them on the back.
Stand behind the person and clasp both hands mid way between the bottom of the breast bone and the belly button. Pull both hands towards you and upwards sharply. This squeezes the diaphragm. This can be done on adults and children, but this method is not appropriate for babies and infants. Use your common sense if you are a burly bloke with muscles like an all in wrestler, or if you don’t know your own strength. The idea is to expell air, not to break ribs.
In cases of extreme obesity or late pregnancy, use chest thrusts rather than abdominal thrusts.
For babies and infants you put them face down over your knee and slap their backs withthe heel of your hand between the shoulder blades. Make sure you support the head which should be lower than the body. Then turn it over so it is facing upwards and you can use your fingers to deliver four short thrusts over its breast bone. Then repeat. If they become unconscious, keep at the back slaps and the breast bone thrusts and get an ambulance. Check every now and then to see if the object has moved up into the mouth or top of the throat.
If you want a more detailed explanation, use the link earlier in this thread.
I had to do this to my daughter when she was about 6. Never seen a piece of shell pasta fly so far or so fast before! It shot across the room after about the 4th attempt to shift it. Time stands still. I changed the position of my hands slightly between attempts. Basically you will do anything to save your child.
@forumhostpb wrote:
@minim wrote:
Basically you will do anything to save your child.
Absolutely damn right you would.
ditto and its a shocking situation to be in. Ours was a boiled sweet before going to a wedding… one of my inlaws said afterwards “oh look… his shirt is ruined now…
May have been an attempt at lightening the mood, but I could have swung for him!
@pats wrote:
a baby or small child should be placed over the knee with their head hanging down whilst u slap btween their shoulderblades. an older child should be bent over.only if this doesnt work should u use the heimlich. heimlich is best used on adults.
complete sh ite
@r.O.T.T wrote:
@pats wrote:
a baby or small child should be placed over the knee with their head hanging down whilst u slap btween their shoulderblades. an older child should be bent over.only if this doesnt work should u use the heimlich. heimlich is best used on adults.
complete sh ite
like your original post. does his mother know u allow him to almost choke when hes in ur care??????
@sharongooner wrote:
Its probably a complete lie anyway. Most of his posts are….
my posts are what they are
i made this story up just to impress a chatroom desperado like you
i said earlier pats and cas will eventually choke on their own vomit
you already have
Just Chav is so apt
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