Chivalry? Is it dead? SHOULD it be dead?

@(f)politics? wrote:

I do agree things should be equal in certain instances such as careers if a woman is doing the same job they get the same money, and so on, but at what stage did the beginnings of equality end up as the stronger sex (man) not being allowed to do things / help the weaker sex (female) cos as a rule physically a man is stronger there is nothing we can do about that, and that said any “women” “lady” would not be so rude as to chastise a man for holding open a door for them but accept the gesture with good grace which is purely manners and etiquette, and men use the “equality ” arguement as an excuse half the time to not be polite mannerly and chivlerous,though i think society itself doesnt do enough about manners and correct etiquette which is properly more than half the problem, i know for one my son at 10 has manners and even opens the car door for me if he is getting in the back the same side and always holds doors open for people, at the same time though i wouldnt mind in the least doing the same for a man, but do think it is more the strong protector carer of women (the man) that should lead the way in that as a rule

Well thats an interesting point F, one of the other things that seems to be growing with time is women that quite ardently refuse to do stereotypically “female” tasks whilst also not wanting to get dirty doing strereotypical male tasks leaving men stupid enough to date such nutjobs pressured to not only still do the “manjobs” but also being expected to do half or in some intances all of the female jobs too

Coupledom nowadays is far more complex and diverse than it was in days gone by, with both partners often working and it not being as common for the mans wages to be the larger of the two or his career the most likely to progress

Similarly tho, and connected to your point its also far less common now for the “man” to be the stronger, or even the more “manly” as women are tending to be far larger on average than ever before and where men are ever increasingly starting to act and be like women with dicks

Then theres the exceptions, how many women (honestly) whinge about the lack of equality where work is concerned BUT wouldnt want to be the one working whilst their partner stayed at home looking after the kids even thio its womens desire TO do that which means they just arent worth as much in a monetary sense to an employer as a man is, equal pay for equal worth in an employee is ACTUAL equality, what women want is equal pay that doesnt pay them less when they are worth less which isnt however you try to dress it up equality in any sense of the word

The thing to not remember here is that although this is phrased as a general question its not meant as being applicable across the entire society, but is more to do with people that expect an impractically conveniently defined form of equality that contradicts itself and with many changes to suit their mood anyway making it totally unworkable

Because aside from those are women who WANT to be women and want men to be men and women who are happy to think, act and react like men and ARE happy to be an actual equal on pretty much every level of a relationship (god bless em :lol: :lol: )

Well admittedly I didnt say it was couples, but niether did I say it wasnt, after all the “marriage guidance counselling service” is as defined a “counselling” service which is niether psychotherapy nor psychiatry as with many “counselling” services, infact much “counselling” is related to psychological problems OTHER people have but which have an impact on the person seeking counselling as well as medical counselling as another example to help someone adjust to an dehabiltating illness or incapacity

So the word doesnt either by dictionary definition nor general useage explicitly mean or imply any form of mental or psychological ailment and is often merely an advisory service or in the case of couples a mediatory one

Whereas, and correct me if i am wrong here, the wording of your initial point did (to me at least) seem to be implying the women I mentioned had “problems” rather than merely problems where the former is their own mental issues or lack of grasp of reality and rationality and where the later is merely life being life

As for why is it ONLY up to the man, I know full well what the definition of chivalry is hence this thread duh lol, but are you suggesting that if a woman DOESNT want to date someone sexist and chivalrous then she has no choice in the matter? That she cant say she doesnt like it, dump him or try to set a new balance in the relationship? That she HAS to just accept it and carry on seeing him?

Because unless ALL of those things ARE what you are saying then the woman has as much say in the matter as the man. He ONLY gets to initially decide to be that way, if its not to a partners liking she also has an equal input into the matter with regards him continuing like it at all or just continuinig like it single or with someone else, so the man ISNT the only person with a say in the matter by a very long chalk, both people have an equal say in the continuation of the behaviour

Same works for the inverse too, if a man ISNT chivalrous and the woman would rather have a partner that was then its not JUST up to the man in that scenario either and the woman doesnt have to just accept the lack of prefferred behaviour does she?

So its not “just” up to the man either way round, its as with all things related to a relationship and for both genders equally applicable and integral to each

Isnt riding a horse illegal nowadays tho even tho a former queen of england frequently rode hers (or more acurately WAS ridden by hers lol)