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Debate where I work:
Mr A who earns between £30 – £40k says Child Benefit should be means tested with only those in genuine need receiving it. He has one son and his wife works and he says they do not need Child Benefit.
Mr A also says that Child Benefit and Children’s Tax Credits should not be paid for any children born after 2012 so as to make ppl who want children be financial responsible for them without relying on the state. This will discourage benefit scroungers from having kids for the sake of getting more benefits. He also reckons it will encourage ppl with kids to stay together instead of splitting up / divorcing over the slightest thing.
Mrs D who earns £30 – £35k says Child Benefit should be paid to all – she has 2 sons and a husband who works in the City. They are currently looking to buy a property for £500k. Mrs D admits she does not spend her Child Benefit – she saves it each month into her sons’ savings accounts.
So who do you agree with and why?
What happened to Mr B and Mr C? :lol:
Sorry :lol:
An interesting question Panda. If the child benefit was cut from higher earning families and used for somthing worthwhile, say for instance in the health sector, then I would happily give it up. But it would probably be pooled into another section of benefits for scroungers who know how to work the system then no, I wouldn’t want to give it up.
I don’t think stopping child benefit would stop some people having kids. The type of people I pressume you are talking about have kids regardless, afterall the current benefits systems surely isn’t enough to bring children up on anyway is it?@kent f OBE wrote:
What happened to Mr B and Mr C? :lol:
Sorry :lol:
An interesting question Panda. If the child benefit was cut from higher earning families and used for somthing worthwhile, say for instance in the health sector, then I would happily give it up. But it would probably be pooled into another section of benefits for scroungers who know how to work the system then no, I wouldn’t want to give it up.
I don’t think stopping child benefit would stop some people having kids. The type of people I pressume you are talking about have kids regardless, afterall the current benefits systems surely isn’t enough to bring children up on anyway is it?Mr B and Mrs C ran off with each other – office scandal!
I actually think it should be means tested with the money saved put into education or care for the elderly.
I don’t think ppl like Mrs D who clearly does not need the money should be able to save it to send her kids to University – it’s unfair to poorer families who need to spend the money on their kids upbringing and can’t afford to send their kids to University. It’s just widening the gap.
Mr A’s political views where I work are often frowned upon but I think he makes sense about making ppl who have kids be more financially responsible for them. My family including extended family, only started a family when they could afford to do so. My parents waited four years so they could save for a house and make it comfortable and suitable for a child. This was the 60s – they had a stronger work ethic perhaps but more importantly, if they weren’t going to support their kids, who would? Not the state in those days.
Sadly these days that’s not the case – more and more kids are born to single mothers – some who have several kids by different men and the fathers are absent and do not support their kids. I know several families like this.
So it’s left to tax payers to pick up the bill and whilst that continues to be the case, these mothers aren’t going to stop having kids to get benefits, the fathers aren’t going to stick around or pay up and their is no incentive to work and provide for themselves and their family. Why work when you can get paid for doing nothing? Total benefits for some, with housing benefit can exceed what someone with a family earns in a year. Is that right?
Yes bringing up a child is more expensive then the benefits received and that is why you have so many kids still living in poverty – some mothers / fathers don’t care about their kids so long as their existence brings in more benefit money for drink, drugs and fags. Sad but true.
* Child Benefit *
Being as the ” child ” has it`s Sovereignty stolen by the ” state ” at his/her birth, the only way to secure the ” child ” gains from ” CHILD BENEFIT ” is to set up an account for that
” child ” within the ” state sponsored ” slave trade, thus avoiding any ” middle men “.
With the ever growing promiscuity of ” children ” in today`s world, conception will occur regardless…. Shame then that this counrty still fails to, eliminate child ” poverty ” :x
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