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Fine …. but would you mete out the same punishment to her as well (“her” being the dead child’s mother) ???
After all it could be argued that she carries as much responsibility as he does, for allowing him to abuse the child over a considerable period of time.
Go on then you talked me into it
It says that he should serve a minimum sentence of 22 years,,,,,,,well we all know that aint gonna happen dont we :roll: cue the do-gooders brigade :roll:
She on the other hand, evil cow :twisted: is given a 12 month suspended sentence. :shock: :evil: :evil:
Why?!!!,,,,,,,,or is this just another case of our great british justice system at work again :roll:
On the face of it Cas, she seems every bit as guilty as he does. Problem is that we don’t know all the facts.
We do know that he was convicted of killing the child (and I think convicted of persistently abusing it over time). She faced a relatively minor charge, no doubt as there was insufficient actual evidence to put before the Courts to secure a conviction on the killing / abusing matters. (I think she was charged with failing to report a death or something similar).
I would agree that morally she shares a terrible burden along with the father and really ought to suffer a similar punishment.
But you know I suspect that the reality is that she probably doesn’t give a damn about morality (or even human decency); she will have learnt little if anything from this; she probably remains utterly unmoved that she has been closely involved in the killing of her child; and doubtless she will carry on with her feral breeding habits and if criticised will respond with “Woteva”.
@forumhostpb wrote:
On the face of it Cas, she seems every bit as guilty as he does. Problem is that we don’t know all the facts.
We do know that he was convicted of killing the child (and I think convicted of persistently abusing it over time). She faced a relatively minor charge, no doubt as there was insufficient actual evidence to put before the Courts to secure a conviction on the killing / abusing matters. (I think she was charged with failing to report a death or something similar).
I would agree that morally she shares a terrible burden along with the father and really ought to suffer a similar punishment.
But you know I suspect that the reality is that she probably doesn’t give a damn about morality (or even human decency); she will have learnt little if anything from this; she probably remains utterly unmoved that she has been closely involved in the killing of her child; and doubtless she will carry on with her feral breeding habits and if criticised will respond with “Woteva”.
Spot on PB.Hence the suggestion to have her sterilised. Thats the only way to prevent people like her from doing it again, because she will!!
Y’know, women like myself, who have chosen not to have children, garner astounding opprobrium for our assumed lack of maternal instinct; whilst prodigious breeders are lauded for the earth-mothering capacities that their evident fecundity allegedly bestows.
The truth is proved sadly to the contrary time and again with reports of slatternly, haphazard, brutal and murderous mamas, hitting the headlines on a weekly if not daily basis; and for every incident of neglect or abuse that enters the public domain, there are hundreds and thousands that do not.
How often does an act of child-brutality get prefaced with comments from the vigilante mob with
“As a mum..this disgusts me..blah blah..” or “As a parent myself, this affects me..yadda yadda..”
Well I’m not a mother, but I know what it is to feel tender protective adoration for a tiny baby, for a small child, for any vulnerable innocent creature adrift in a world capable of peddling depravity and evil in tandem with purity and good.
I am a mother to each and every person I love, I nourish and nurture, I suckle with my spirit if not my breasts (although..they do sometimes play a part :wink:) and I would and do fight dragons for them.
If we were less surprised by the wicked that mothers can do, then perhaps fewer desperate, abused and unloved children would have to suffer unseen.
I’m not surprised by it Esme, as you say, for every one in the newspapers, there are dozens more go unreported and unseen.
What do we do about it,,,,,,who knows. I do know that I for one, would have no hesitation in reporting an incident if I knew it was happening or saw it happening. It’s what happens with it from there though. How many times have the social workers sent a child back, when it’s clearly at risk!!,,,,,,how many times have we seen those stories, where a child was sent back and ultimately some weeks, or even days later, have met their deaths at the hands of these monsters. Then what happens,,,,,,oh it’s the overworked, underpaid same old sob story from the powers that be,,,,,and measures being put into place to ensure it doesn’t happen again, sadly, it does. Where were they, in the case of this particular little girl. :roll:
To say that he should serve a minimum sentence of 22 years still isn’t long enough, they should throw away the key!! and her! 12months suspended sentence, what a joke!! and like pb said,,,,,,there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, that she’ll go on to have other kids, who knows if she does already have other kids, I didn’t see anything about it anywhere. If she did, with her current track record, they should be taken away from her the second they’re born!!,,,,,,,,,
I wanted kids,,,,,,I didn’t however fall pregnant with my son till I was 40, not through choice,,,,it just didn’t happen. He was born a month after my 41st birthday,,,,he’s now 20. There are tho, people like me, who would love to have a child, and can’t do so, while people like her can produce them like shelling peas.
I loathe the current expression, used by “do gooders” generally, when confronted with the terrible results of their failings: “….lessons will be learnt…” or even worse (shifting the blame away from the speaker) “…. there are lessons that can and will be learnt…”
I cringe whenever I hear this said, because it usually signals a total complacency coupled with an absolute refusal to admit any guilt or culpability whatsoever on the part of the speaker / organisation.
Still, I suppose saying “Sorry .. we screwed up on this one” would only encourage armies of chavs after a quick buck gained in ‘no win, no fee’ litigation.
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