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    My studies will be ending in only a week from now and we’ll have a huge party on February the 16th. We are going to drive around the city with trailer lorries standing on the scaffold (?!) throwing candy at younger students (kids from kindergarden to highschool).

    So we ordered a huge amount of candy from a candy company and today it finally arrived. Now I have 5kg (that’s about 11 pounds) of candy in a plastic bag and I have drag it along all day since my lessons won’t end before 3 o’clock today :roll:

    The problem is that my mom paid for that candy because she wanted some (I wouldn’t really care about that rather expensive tradition) it’s practically hers therefore I can’t eat that candy!
    But I can’t leave it from my sight because someone would steal it otherwise. So I can’t go to eat!!!!!! I’m hungry and I have loads of candy with me… life is so unfair :x

    (I don’t have anything to do with these people…)

    #185313

    @Beatty Blue wrote:

    My studies will be ending in only a week from now and we’ll have a huge party on February the 16th. We are going to drive around the city with trailer lorries standing on the scaffold (?!) throwing fishes at younger students (kids from kindergarden to highschool).

    So we ordered a huge amount of fish and vodka from a drunken sailor and today it finally arrived. Now I have 5kg (that’s about 11 pounds) of fish in a plastic bag and 37 litres (about 60 pints) of vodka in numerous buckets and I have drag it along all day since my lessons won’t end before 3 o’clock today :roll:

    The problem is that my mom paid for that fish (and we told her it cost more so we could buy the vodka) because she wanted some (I wouldn’t really care about that rather expensive tradition) it’s practically hers therefore I can’t eat that fish!
    But I can’t leave it from my sight because someone would steal it otherwise. So I can’t go to eat!!!!!! I’m hungry and I have loads of fish with me… life is so unfair so I’m gonna drink some vodka :D

    :-

    #185314

    haha… ](*,)

    To be quite honest with you, I can’t understand why you automatically think of fish when you think of Finns :-s
    We don’t produce fish THAT much… I mean the Norwegians live by fish, we live by forests 8)

    #185315

    @Beatty Blue wrote:

    haha… ](*,)

    To be quite honest with you, I can’t understand why you automatically think of fish when you think of Finns :-s
    We don’t produce fish THAT much… I mean the Norwegians live by fish, we live by forests 8)

    Magnesium deficit may well rank among the various cardiovascular risk
    factors. Finland has exceptionally high rates of cardiovascular disease,
    the prevalence of which may be directly corrected with the frequent
    marginal magnesium deficit that occurs in developed countries1, where,
    as is the case in Finland, a particularly high dietary Ca/Mg ratio is
    observed (3.75 instead of a physiological ratio close to 2)2-4.

    Since atherosclerosis is now considered to be multifactorial, the
    importance of magnesium deficit among other dietary factors involved in
    the pathophysiology of cardiovascular diseases should be acknowledged.

    Atherosclerosis is induced by the combined effects of genetic and
    environmental factors. Among the genetic variants that occur in
    lipoprotein disorders, apolipoprotein E polymorphism appears to have
    very important effects5,6. Early investigations of the apolipoprotein E
    phenotypes were time-consuming and unsatisfactory. However, a rapid,
    reliable and safe procedure is now available whereby apolipoprotein E
    genotypes can be investigated as a routine procedure7. Among genetic
    cardiovascular risk factors, subjects with the ApoE 4 allele and especially
    the homozygous apo E4-4 type type seem particularly prone to
    atherosclerosis5,8. The apo E 4 allele has an amino acid substitution at
    codon 112 that adds arginine in place of cysteine, and this region appears
    to reduce disulphide bonding of apoE with other free
    sulphydryl-containing proteins. Consequently a cascade of deleterious
    effects on lipoprotein metabolism results in hepatic cholesterol
    accumulation and raised concentrations of serum cholesterol9. Subjects
    with the apo E 4 allele are a diet-insensitive group, showing little
    response either to classical dietary intervention (lowered total fat intake,
    increased polyunsaturated/saturated fat ratio, and moderate decrease in
    cholesterol intake10,11, or to an increase in dietary fibre12,13. Subjects
    with apo E allele form a group with a genetic cardiovascular risk factor of
    the familial hypercholesterolaemia type5-13.

    In northern Finland the frequency of the E4-4 type is higher in the Sami
    area, formerly known as the Lapp area (12 per cent), than in the rest of
    the country (3 per cent). The same is observed in Norway. But
    paradoxically in the Samis the E4-4 genotype together with a high serum
    cholesterol are associated with a lower occurrence of coronary heart
    disease mortality than in other communities in Finland or Norway14. The
    low mortality from coronary heart disease, in a population with genetic
    hypercholesterolaemia, could be explained by an adequate antioxidant
    status. The Samis of northern Finland have a higher alpha-tocopherol,
    albumin and selenium than Finns from neighbouring communities14. It
    seems that antioxidants occupy a prominent place in the prevention of
    human atherosclerosis15,16. This favourable antioxidant status may be
    credited to the local diet. Reindeer meat is lean, rich in protein and
    essential fatty acids, alpha-tocopherol and selenium. The same holds true
    for fish which provide a particularly high selenium intake14. This diet may
    also contain several other natural antioxidants such as taurine and
    magnesium, the importance of which needs to be assessed.

    Taurine, a ubiquitous and stable sulphonic amino acid, constitutes an
    example of a water-soluble molecular antioxidant which may play an
    important role in cardiovascular protection15,17,18.

    Magnesium may also play a physiological antioxidant role when it
    compensates a deficient intake, for example against lipoprotein oxidative
    stress16,17,19-21. In Greenland Eskimos, the serum calcium to
    magnesium ratio is significantly lower than in Danes, and death from
    ischaemic heart disease is 3-6 times lower than in Denmark. These high
    levels of serum calcium — which might be cardioprotective in Eskimos —
    could originate from the Ca/Mg ratios in their respective diets (2.0 in
    Greenland and 4.5 in Denmark)22.

    To sum up, when a genetic risk factor linked with the Apo E 4-4 genotype
    is involved in hypercholesterolaemia, its harmful effects can be
    counteracted by nutritional means. The low cardiovascular mortality
    observed in the Lapp group does not seem to be connected with the type
    of dietary fats they consume, since lowering the total fat and cholesterol
    intake and increasing the polyunsaturated/saturated fat ratio is
    ineffective10,11. It seems, rather, to be related to a rich natural
    antioxidant intake14. Since we can hardly found our staple diet on
    reindeer meat and a daily fish catch, we may at least try to prevent such
    dyslipidaemias not only by a larger intake of vitamin E, selenium, taurine
    and magnesium14-17,19-21 but also with numerous other natural
    vitamin, metabolic and mineral antioxidants15,16,23,24 that are equally
    important in nutritional prophylaxis of atherosclerosis.

    Jean Durlach
    Editor-in-Chief, Magnesium Research
    President SDRM
    Hôp. St. Vincent-de-Paul, Paris, France

    Anne Durlach
    Unité de Biologie Cellulaire
    Hôp. Maison Blanche, Reims, France

    Vincent Durlach
    Clinique Médicale
    Hôp. Robert Debré, Reims, France
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    #185316

    so what are you trying to say… more vodka and less candy?

    Ofcourse I eat fish! :roll:

    #185317

    now it hit me :roll:
    how am I going to… erm… go to toilet? I have to take this bag with me and look ridiculous!!! ](*,)

    #185318

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    #185319

    what to do… I really have to go soon, can’t hold it for long

    this is not funny!

    #185320

    I’ve just been reading how physically fit you Finns really are! :shock:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/befit/story/0,15652,1385645,00.html
    You could run home with the bag of candy, use the toilet and run back to
    college! 8)

    #185321

    @Ow£n Ka$h wrote:

    I’ve just been reading how physically fit you Finns really are! :shock:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/befit/story/0,15652,1385645,00.html
    You could run home with the bag of candy, use the toilet and run back to
    college! 8)

    dragging candy keeps us in fit :roll:

    I just happen to live so far from college I couldn’t make that kind of trip in ten minutes …or could I

    No! I just realized that my next lesson is on 3rd floor, and I’m on the bottom floor with my candy …and we don’t have lifts in this building

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