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22 September, 2007 at 5:38 pm #287947
@fastcars wrote:
@ubermik wrote:
As for the lie detector, theyre both trained doctors, they will already not only know the fallibility of them, but which drugs aid a pass, which are easily detectable and which arent and what defence to wheel out even if the test is positive, and thats why, if they have, I reckon they have suggested a test to try and dissipate some of the disbelievers back here in the UK
Or maybe they could just sit and tell the truth.
I’d already said they could also confess :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
22 September, 2007 at 6:29 pm #287948oh god sorry fast cars i just got out hospital im a bit everywhere i said ugo i meant you soz xx :oops:
23 September, 2007 at 12:54 pm #287949@pasta wrote:
oh god sorry fast cars i just got out hospital im a bit everywhere i said ugo i meant you soz xx :oops:
Its an easy mistake to make…..
:shock: :shock: :shock:
:wink:
24 September, 2007 at 3:08 pm #287950At what point do you think Witchfinder Ubermik and his able assistant Witchfinderess Bat will concede ???
Perhaps when the real culprit has been hung , drawn and quartered – probably not though
makes you a bit ashamed to be British – what with Innocent until proved Guilty and all that – seems to have fallen by the wayside
24 September, 2007 at 3:32 pm #287951@drivel wrote:
At what point do you think Witchfinder Ubermik and his able assistant Witchfinderess Bat will concede ???
Perhaps when the real culprit has been hung , drawn and quartered – probably not though
makes you a bit ashamed to be British – what with Innocent until proved Guilty and all that – seems to have fallen by the wayside
Speaking on behalf of Witchfinder Generals everywhere … conceding doesn’t seem to be the issue here.
The fact is that the holy, sainted and “We had nothing to do with it” McCanns have now employed a most expensive PR professional who is doing all he possibly can to release stories to the world’s Media to try to get them back ‘on message’.
So far this Media campaign seems to be having an effect.
However, as time passes and there are STILL no verified sightings of Maddie, I suspect that all the spin doctoring in the world won’t divert attention away from the McCann’s culpability.
So NO … there will be NO conceding here.
24 September, 2007 at 8:19 pm #287952@forumhostpb wrote:
@drivel wrote:
At what point do you think Witchfinder Ubermik and his able assistant Witchfinderess Bat will concede ???
Perhaps when the real culprit has been hung , drawn and quartered – probably not though
makes you a bit ashamed to be British – what with Innocent until proved Guilty and all that – seems to have fallen by the wayside
Speaking on behalf of Witchfinder Generals everywhere … conceding doesn’t seem to be the issue here.
The fact is that the holy, sainted and “We had nothing to do with it” McCanns have now employed a most expensive PR professional who is doing all he possibly can to release stories to the world’s Media to try to get them back ‘on message’.
So far this Media campaign seems to be having an effect.
However, as time passes and there are STILL no verified sightings of Maddie, I suspect that all the spin doctoring in the world won’t divert attention away from the McCann’s culpability.
So NO … there will be NO conceding here.
They certainly needed somone to counter the ridicolous stories that were coming out I think.
You didnt expect them to sit and take all the stories that were coming out without countering them did you?Even if time does pass, and there are no verified sightings, this in no way points to the McCanns anymore than it points to anyone else.
26 September, 2007 at 7:52 am #287953lets hope this is Maddie…
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20070926/twl-madeleine-experts-examine-photo-of-c-41f21e0_1.html26 September, 2007 at 9:04 am #287954It won’t be. It’s just another false sighting along with all the others.
26 September, 2007 at 10:02 am #287955@drivel wrote:
At what point do you think Witchfinder Ubermik and his able assistant Witchfinderess Bat will concede ???
Perhaps when the real culprit has been hung , drawn and quartered – probably not though
makes you a bit ashamed to be British – what with Innocent until proved Guilty and all that – seems to have fallen by the wayside
Actually your post is more of an embarassment to being british as you quote concepts you obviously are totally incapable of understanding like a child reciting einstein
Just what exactly about innocent till proven guilty do you missguidedly think equates into the phrases
“above suspicion until proven guilty”?
Or
“above investigation till proven guilty”?
The actual phrase and precept is ONLY what it says, someone is for the most part not CLASSED as guilty until its proven, none of that absolves them from or places them above suspicion, investigation, theorisation, formulation or doubt before being found guilty
Infact if the phrase did mean the illogical nonsensical crap you seem to be deludedly claiming it means NOBODY would ever be able to be found guilty of anything ever, because they wouldnt be able to be suspected or investigated until AFTER being proven guilty, which would quite seriously hamper the proving of that guilt just a tad lol
You also seem to lack the basic intellectual acumen to distinguish the difference between suspicion and conclusion, one is being open minded enough to accept or suspect someone COULD have done something, the other is closedmindedly claiming they have.
And the only closedminded posts on this topic are coming from the people who cant even entertain the thought they MIGHT have been involved in killing maddy even tho they have no PROOF to back that up but still vaccuously talk as tho its “known” to be true, rather than merely being possible
THe flip side of the phrase you incorrectly wheeled out is this one
“There is possibility of guilt until PROVEN innocent”
As they have niether been “PROVEN” (seeing as its word you try to use) innocent nor guilty they ARE quite capable of being either on the matter of having killed her
Anyone who claims more than that with any delusional degree of certainty is an idiot irrespective of whether they are claiming innocence or guilt as both can ONLY be details as “possibly” being the case at the moment in lieu of any “proof” to validate either suspicion
A trailing question re the hanged drawn and quartering you mentioned
How is total absolution and freedom from suspicion or prosecution of a child murderer a “wholesome” pursuit?
If you inneffectually and innacurately try to portray suspicion of guilt as assumption of guilt then using your own lack of cohesion and logic bereft words against you, your own witterings then become assumption of innocence rather than suspicion of it
As that assumption cant be and hasnt been proven, they you are to all intents and purposes trying to encourage the total avoidence of any suspicion or investigation of a possible child killer based on no “proof of innocence” whatsoever
Do you think thats a “british” pastime then? Protecting child killers from prosecution?
Anyway, youre male innit?
So the concept of “innocent till proven guilty” doesnt apply to you anyway on a whole host of issues which is steadily increasing. The absolute application of the innocence until guilt is proven ONLY applies to women nowadays in the british legal system so you are using a phrase that no longer applies to british justice or your gender anyway making it a bit of an eroneous thing to cling to anyway even if you had actually managed to use the phrase in an at least marginally acurate rendition of its meaning
26 September, 2007 at 3:37 pm #287956@ubermik wrote:
@drivel wrote:
At what point do you think Witchfinder Ubermik and his able assistant Witchfinderess Bat will concede ???
Perhaps when the real culprit has been hung , drawn and quartered – probably not though
makes you a bit ashamed to be British – what with Innocent until proved Guilty and all that – seems to have fallen by the wayside
Actually your post is more of an embarassment to being british as you quote concepts you obviously are totally incapable of understanding like a child reciting einstein
Just what exactly about innocent till proven guilty do you missguidedly think equates into the phrases
“above suspicion until proven guilty”?
Or
“above investigation till proven guilty”?
The actual phrase and precept is ONLY what it says, someone is for the most part not CLASSED as guilty until its proven, none of that absolves them from or places them above suspicion, investigation, theorisation, formulation or doubt before being found guilty
Infact if the phrase did mean the illogical nonsensical crap you seem to be deludedly claiming it means NOBODY would ever be able to be found guilty of anything ever, because they wouldnt be able to be suspected or investigated until AFTER being proven guilty, which would quite seriously hamper the proving of that guilt just a tad lol
You also seem to lack the basic intellectual acumen to distinguish the difference between suspicion and conclusion, one is being open minded enough to accept or suspect someone COULD have done something, the other is closedmindedly claiming they have.
And the only closedminded posts on this topic are coming from the people who cant even entertain the thought they MIGHT have been involved in killing maddy even tho they have no PROOF to back that up but still vaccuously talk as tho its “known” to be true, rather than merely being possible
THe flip side of the phrase you incorrectly wheeled out is this one
“There is possibility of guilt until PROVEN innocent”
As they have niether been “PROVEN” (seeing as its word you try to use) innocent nor guilty they ARE quite capable of being either on the matter of having killed her
Anyone who claims more than that with any delusional degree of certainty is an idiot irrespective of whether they are claiming innocence or guilt as both can ONLY be details as “possibly” being the case at the moment in lieu of any “proof” to validate either suspicion
A trailing question re the hanged drawn and quartering you mentioned
How is total absolution and freedom from suspicion or prosecution of a child murderer a “wholesome” pursuit?
If you inneffectually and innacurately try to portray suspicion of guilt as assumption of guilt then using your own lack of cohesion and logic bereft words against you, your own witterings then become assumption of innocence rather than suspicion of it
As that assumption cant be and hasnt been proven, they you are to all intents and purposes trying to encourage the total avoidence of any suspicion or investigation of a possible child killer based on no “proof of innocence” whatsoever
Do you think thats a “british” pastime then? Protecting child killers from prosecution?
Anyway, youre male innit?
So the concept of “innocent till proven guilty” doesnt apply to you anyway on a whole host of issues which is steadily increasing. The absolute application of the innocence until guilt is proven ONLY applies to women nowadays in the british legal system so you are using a phrase that no longer applies to british justice or your gender anyway making it a bit of an eroneous thing to cling to anyway even if you had actually managed to use the phrase in an at least marginally acurate rendition of its meaning
You don’t half spout a load of longwinded shyte Uber !!!!
FFS get real man
I have actually read your post and it’s full or repetitive garbage
A few people have differing opinions to you on this case – we are not being closeminded – as you say – we are just offering our opinions
From your reply it appears that it’s you that has difficulty understanding English
You are obviously one very frustrated guy – who tries to make up for lack of intelligence and education with long winded repetitive incoherent posts
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