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Emma you don’t even know your own party’s history :roll: You say the BNP isn’t racist or Nazi, well I challenge anyone to look at this picture and disagree with me:
A picture tells a thousand words :lol: John Tyndall, the father of the BNP there on the left of the picture. Racist? The BNP? Never :lol:
The full background of the the BNP can be discovered here
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg02.htmLet me guess Emma, you’re one of those non-racist BNP members who denies that 6 million Jews died in the concentration camps. Well I guess you’re only following the example of your leader Nick Griffin.
As for terrorism, David Copeland the nail bomber has ties to the BNP and Tony Lecomber a senior BNP member was sent to prison for trying to blow up the offices of his rivals.
@slayer wrote:
Cas- we may never see eye to eye on many things and it would be boring if we all did.
To the BNP, you can’t be black and British- it starts with voluntary repatriation and ends with laws which ensure there is no option but to leave if you aren’t white, only then it will be without compensation.
We don’t live in a perfect country, never have done and never will but to blame all our ills on minorities and immigrants is simply ludicrous
Doesn’t mean there’s much else to choose from when it comes to voting cos they’re all much of the same to me at the mo.
I agree with you Slayer that we can’t see eye to eye on everything all the time and yea of course it’d be boring.
No we don’t live in a perfect country, who does? :roll: I don’t blame all the ills on minorities and immigrants. I do tho, feel that there needs to be a limit to the immigration into this country. Were a very small island compared to the rest of the world. People have to cross many countries to get to this one, why can they not settle in another country, one where they would be just as safe but perhaps don’t have the welfare state that we do. Now i’m sorry if that sounds racist, it’s not meant as racist but it stands to reason that were not a bottomless pit. I know too that not all immigrants to this country are on state handouts, and I admire the ones who do find work/businessess etc and make a contribution. Where I live, the vast majority of people are! on state benefits, many of them, Kosovans/Albanians/Russians, who have been given homes by the council (which the council deny) and are subsequently sub-letting room by room at around £60 – £75 a week, not bad for someone who’s already receiving benefits and then have around 2 or 3 rooms let at that cost each week, nice work if you can get it eh :roll: :roll:
@cas wrote:
@slayer wrote:
Cas- we may never see eye to eye on many things and it would be boring if we all did.
To the BNP, you can’t be black and British- it starts with voluntary repatriation and ends with laws which ensure there is no option but to leave if you aren’t white, only then it will be without compensation.
We don’t live in a perfect country, never have done and never will but to blame all our ills on minorities and immigrants is simply ludicrous
Doesn’t mean there’s much else to choose from when it comes to voting cos they’re all much of the same to me at the mo.
I agree with you Slayer that we can’t see eye to eye on everything all the time and yea of course it’d be boring.
No we don’t live in a perfect country, who does? :roll: I don’t blame all the ills on minorities and immigrants. I do tho, feel that there needs to be a limit to the immigration into this country. Were a very small island compared to the rest of the world. People have to cross many countries to get to this one, why can they not settle in another country, one where they would be just as safe but perhaps don’t have the welfare state that we do. Now i’m sorry if that sounds racist, it’s not meant as racist but it stands to reason that were not a bottomless pit. I know too that not all immigrants to this country are on state handouts, and I admire the ones who do find work/businessess etc and make a contribution. Where I live, the vast majority of people are! on state benefits, many of them, Kosovans/Albanians/Russians, who have been given homes by the council (which the council deny) and are subsequently sub-letting room by room at around £60 – £75 a week, not bad for someone who’s already receiving benefits and then have around 2 or 3 rooms let at that cost each week, nice work if you can get it eh :roll: :roll:
I agree Cas- Ive said on another thread that i think we will, in the not too distant future, be full in terms of immigration to live here – doesn’t mean I dont believe there isnt a place in our society for other nationalities to lork and thrive. I’ve also said on here that the biggest way to disenfranchise the indigenous population (that includes Britons of all colours) is to put the needs of immigrants ABOVE the needs of other nationalities- that will ensure antagonism, distrust and hostility.
As for subletting- simple, it’s illegal, against council rules- just like anyone else, shop ’em n let the council deal with them
I suppose I’ve missed the point as usual – but I cannot for the life of me see the connection between the BNP of 2006 and the Nazi Party of the 1930’s.
I am always a bit uneasy when people start to make accusations of Fascism and Nazism etc etc. I would be more comfortable with a reasoned discussion on why EXACTLY a political party’s views are wrong or unacceptable.
@forumhostpb wrote:
I suppose I’ve missed the point as usual – but I cannot for the life of me see the connection between the BNP of 2006 and the Nazi Party of the 1930’s.
I am always a bit uneasy when people start to make accusations of Fascism and Nazism etc etc. I would be more comfortable with a reasoned discussion on why EXACTLY a political party’s views are wrong or unacceptable.
Male leader who played on the insecurities and stereotypes of the masses to demonise a section the society and focus their anger against.
Both saw/see marxism as an evil to be eradicated- both portray their race as the master race and refute the doctrine that we are all born equal- both prescribe to the original racial elements of their country as being paramount and sacrosanct- the “pure” race. Both believed races could not, and should not live together.
Both saw/see a rebuilding of traditional alliances rather than retain and nourish new ones. Both believe in a strong centrally governed, authoritative, state
Both believed in censorhsip to control the flow of free speech
Could go on but it would get quite dull
Ultimatelty the inferences are drawn from the policies of racial connotations and supremacy
So how do you represent the views of perhaps millions of ordinary decent English citizens who want to see foreign criminals / bogus asylum seekers / Islamic terrorists etc etc removed from the country or at the least effectively denied entry???
On the face of it, anybody with these views is automatically branded a ”Nazi” or a ”racist”.
@forumhostpb wrote:
So how do you represent the views of perhaps millions of ordinary decent English citizens who want to see foreign criminals / bogus asylum seekers / Islamic terrorists etc etc removed from the country or at the least effectively denied entry???
On the face of it, anybody with these views is automatically branded a ”Nazi” or a ”racist”.
Not true. I believe this to be the position of all three main parties. All that differs is in the proposed methods designed to achieve such results and the confidence of the electorate in the parties abilities to carry through their plans.
BNP has always been a racist, neo-nazi party. Nick Griffin has a history of holocaust denial and that idiot Phil Edwards is a blatant white supremacist peddling pseudo-science and other lies about other racial groups. If they weren’t neo-nazis they wouldn’t associate with European and American nazis. They wouldn’t associate themselves with skinhead neo-nazi rock groups.
There are a lot of myths spread around about asylum seekers and economic migrants the reason why is because it’s easy to attack the weakest people in society and parties stand to make a lot of political capital out of scape-goating outsiders. Intelligent people, however, see through the propaganda and reject the evil of the far-right.
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
Emma you don’t even know your own party’s history :roll: You say the BNP isn’t racist or Nazi, well I challenge anyone to look at this picture and disagree with me:
A picture tells a thousand words :lol: John Tyndall, the father of the BNP there on the left of the picture. Racist? The BNP? Never :lol:
A, im not a member, never have been. I only support them because theres no one better, thats why anyone votes at all.
B, john is dead, and i believe that picture has nothing to do with the bnp, it was taken years before the bnp existed.The full background of the the BNP can be discovered here
http://www.stopthebnp.org.uk/uncovered/pg02.htmFull?? Its a “stopthebnp” are a fascist organisation, who cause trouble everywhere they go. Their whole agenda is to stir up trouble, thats their ideology.
Let me guess Emma, you’re one of those non-racist BNP members who denies that 6 million Jews died in the concentration camps. Well I guess you’re only following the example of your leader Nick Griffin.
I feel desperately sorry for those people, it must’ve been horendous, as it was in other holocausts that have occured, like:
Belgian Congo 1891-1911 11,500,000 blacks died 1891-1911; from 1907 Kongo was a Belgian Crown Domain.
South Africa, 1900 In the Boer-war the British coined the word “concentration camp”.
Armenia, 1915 1,500,000 Christian Armenians killed by Turks in what Churchill called a Holocaust.
USSR, 1921 21,000,000 hit by partly Soviet-engineered famine. (2nd August 1921)
Ukraine, 1932-1933 4,821,600 died of hunger engineered by Stalin 1932-33. 7,465,000 died in 1932-1939.
USSR 1934 to 1953 From 1934 to 1953 upto 15 million Russians disappered in the GULAGS.
Germany/Poland 1939-1945 5,000,000 non-jews died in Germancamps, mainly Polish Christians and Catholics
Poland/Russia from 1941 1,700,000 Polish people were deported to Siberia after 1941.
Bengal, 1943 1,500,000 died of war-related famine in 1943 in Bengal.
Germany, East Prussia 1945 upto 3,000,000 German civilians were killed by Russians in the last months of WW2.
Cambodia, 1975-1979 Khmer Rouge´s Pol Pot (president 1976) killed abt. 1,700,000 of his own people.
East Timor 1983-1985 200,000 East Timorese (Indonesia) were killed in 1983-1985.
Rwanda/Burundi – 1993-1994 700,000 Hutus and Tutsies murdered each other while the world looked away.
Yugoslavia 1991-2000 About 250,000 dead Yugoslaws can be blamed on Milosevic upto 2000.It would be nice if the media talked about holocausts, not “the holocaust” as if there was only 1, its disrespectfull to those who died elsewhere.
As for terrorism, David Copeland the nail bomber has ties to the BNP and Tony Lecomber a senior BNP member was sent to prison for trying to blow up the offices of his rivals.
I’d rather them than a prime minister that openly murders thousands of people and then grins on tv, but bad all the same.
That nutter david doesnt have bnp membership anymore, it would be political suicide for the bnp.1 John tyndall founded the BNP so of course a picture of him in nazi uniform is relevant to whether the BNP is a neo-nazi party. He frequently made anti-semitic remarks while the BNP was in existence as has Nick Griffin who has written anti-semitic articles in neo-nazi publications.
2 Holocaust denial is something that relates predominantly to the extermination of 6 million Jews during WWII. People accept that the other deaths occured. Also, you’ve included events in your list that don’t relate to genocide/planned extermination. Do you even accept that 6 million Jews were exterminated in concentration camps?
3 David Copeland was a terrorist who had bnp membership. Tony Lecomber is a convicted terrorist who still has bnp membership.
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