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I don’t think it’s to do with being wrapped up in cotton wool, a lot of intelligent people lack common sense.
My boyfriend does and he was born in the 60s. A Cambridge maths grad, he can do difficult cryptic crosswords, solve complex problems but does he have an ounce of common sense?
Nope!
Google it – your son is not alone!
@panda12 wrote:
@rubyred wrote:
NO.. not at all Panda. Im meaning the self gloaters, the pat themselves on the back types. for every kid that goes to UNI THERE ARE SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT NEVER WILL GET THE OPPURTUNITY.. IM LIVID !
Och well .
Very true and the division is getting wider. It is going back to an eltist system where only those with money can afford to go and we know those with money aren’t always the brightest sparks :(
I agree the system is getting more and more unfair. And, a lot of kids who come from poorer homes have massive debts to pay at the end of their years at Uni. Whereas those with rich parents just get their loans paid off for them! Open University is doing well though as people opt out of going to Uni and decide to work and get a univeristy degree online at a fraction of the cost. I still think that academic achievement is ok, but it proves nothing except that you can take in information and regurgitate it in a format that gets you brownie points. But, its the system we have, and hopefully some kids come out of all the learning with something useful in their skulls. And, some people go into further education to become teachers themselves, and hopefully some of THEM will be enthusiastic enough about their subjects to inspire.
I still think that academic achievement is ok, but it proves nothing except that you can take in information and regurgitate it in a format that gets you brownie points.
Yeah of course, acadenic achievement is crap, isn’t it? I mean doctors, brain surgeons, teachers, vets, engineers etc etc are just born, aren’t they?
They don’t do any study at all, do they? #-o
@panda12 wrote:
I still think that academic achievement is ok, but it proves nothing except that you can take in information and regurgitate it in a format that gets you brownie points.
Yeah of course, acadenic achievement is crap, isn’t it? I mean doctors, brain surgeons, teachers, vets, engineers etc etc are just born, aren’t they?
They don’t do any study at all, do they? #-o
why do you do that panda ? take a post and totally twist it to suit you so you can go on the attack on someone elses opinions. I believe mims said academic achievement is ok not crap, and she said they can take in and regurgitate information (isnt that saying they study? ) #-o
@(f)politics? wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
I still think that academic achievement is ok, but it proves nothing except that you can take in information and regurgitate it in a format that gets you brownie points.
Yeah of course, acadenic achievement is crap, isn’t it? I mean doctors, brain surgeons, teachers, vets, engineers etc etc are just born, aren’t they?
They don’t do any study at all, do they? #-o
why do you do that panda ? take a post and totally twist it to suit you so you can go on the attack on someone elses opinions. I believe mims said academic achievement is ok not crap, and she said they can take in and regurgitate information (isnt that saying they study? ) #-o
…academic achievement is ok, but it proves nothing except that you can take in information and regurgitate it in a format that gets you brownie points
That’s what was actually said. So your doctor studied for 6 yeats just to get brownie points? No desire to actually care about people’s health, then? :roll:
And I studied for four years to become a teacher just so I could score brownie points, huh?
If studying isn’t someone’s thing then fine but don’t knock the academic achievements of others, achievements from which you benefit in one way or another.
most doctors that come onto the wards are practically useless until they get experience on the job panda. Same goes for all the other jobs you mention. They do a certain amount of time in university studying before they let them loose on the wards, and then they start their real learning. As for vets, engineers etc etc. The same thing applies. They have to work on the job and learn as they go along. And….most of the occupations you list take years before they are given free rein in their chosen environment. They are effectively apprentices AFTER they have done some book learning.
I rest my case :wink:
@panda12 wrote:
…academic achievement is ok, but it proves nothing except that you can take in information and regurgitate it in a format that gets you brownie points
That’s what was actually said. So your doctor studied for 6 yeats just to get brownie points? No desire to actually care about people’s health, then? :roll:
And I studied for four years to become a teacher just so I could score brownie points, huh?
If studying isn’t someone’s thing then fine but don’t knock the academic achievements of others, achievements from which you benefit in one way or another.
I have never knocked anyone achievements, and im a complete study addict, and have done alot of training in jobs, and at home,colleges etc apart from my initial education at school. Personally i have always found training of any sort extremely valuable and indeed necessary, the same as education is for kids. But that wasnt my arguement, and i was referring to many of your posts panda not just that one. But i dont think you got the point i was making, and im going off topic so lets leave it there.
@minim wrote:
most doctors that come onto the wards are practically useless until they get experience on the job panda. Same goes for all the other jobs you mention. They do a certain amount of time in university studying before they let them loose on the wards, and then they start their real learning. As for vets, engineers etc etc. The same thing applies. They have to work on the job and learn as they go along. And….most of the occupations you list take years before they are given free rein in their chosen environment. They are effectively apprentices AFTER they have done some book learning.
I rest my case :wink:
I don’t think you have a case to rest.
That “book learning” gives them essential knowledge and skills to be appointed the job in the first place – putting that knowledge into practice happens on the job where gaining experience takes place.
Or would you rather your doctor just walked in off the street with no prior medical knowledge and learnt everything from scratch whilst on the job?
As for teachers, they teach whilst they are training so when they qualify, they are already experienced.
What I was saying was that they have to be able to apply the book learning, in applied ways, for the knowledge to stick!
Rote learning is no use at all without practical application. And as for teachers…. what is the old adage, those that can do, those that can’t teach.
@minim wrote:
What I was saying was that they have to be able to apply the book learning, in applied ways, for the knowledge to stick!
Rote learning is no use at all without practical application. And as for teachers…. what is the old adage, those that can do, those that can’t teach.
Rote learning is quick memorization for the purposes of learning lines for a play, song etc.
A doctor, teacher or engineer wouldn’t use that style of learning – it would be impossible to pass their exams if they did. And they gain valuable practicable experience whilst training with work placements.
Seems like one of life’s failures taught you to fail spectacularly well!
If I was you, I’d stop digging now.
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