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How is the EU bullying us???
Again with the words in mouth thing, twisting what people say I said the EU are bullies, I said they have been deliberately making things difficult for us, but I quoted Italy and Greece, not us, or the fact they are actively suing 3 eastern European, poor countries, for millions because they refuse to accept more immigrants . I didn’t say they are just bullying us. I said they are Bullies
I have also NEVER said that you want a 2nd referendum !! please say where I said that ?
Misleading other readers yet again…..
Yes, the people who govern the EU have definitely bullied Greece with horrible results. They’ve faced severe oppostion fomr the Left throughout Europe, and we should have been supporitng that oppositon instead of supporting the type of austere economi strategy which lay behind that.
Better to reform the EU by trade union and socialist alliances on a continent-wide basis than just sail off from a rules-base organisation with very high standardised rules for health, hygiene, labour standards etc. We’re now sniffing around the Pacific trading block which is forming, Japan, the Philippines Malaysia etc., a risk-based block which doesn’t have the same standards.
The point I’m making is that the present problems don’t stem from the EU bullies, but from our own indecision. We’re a very divided country, and we’re now in danger of heading out of the EU in the most chaotic and disastrous way possible.
I think that Parliament is likely to take control soon.
It fixes tariffs, not prices.
Tariffs directly affect prices.
They also manipulate prices though regulation.
Yes, of course prices are change by tariffs. They are all over the world. Very few countries are foolhardy enough to engage in pure free trade.
But that doesn’t make any tariff regime a cartel.
Price subsidies, and taxes also manipulate and change prices. That doesn’t make taxation or subsidies the policies of a a cartel.
A cartel is something very different – it’s a price-fixing arrangement by a group of companies, usually secret. It’s not a government, or series of governments, which tax their citizens or make a trading block. In fact all Western governments are legally obliged to break up cartels (doesn’t stop cartels forming and reforming after being broken up, of course)
Nobody else would describe tariffs, taxation, subsidies and all the other things which affect prices as a cartel.
You want an open world trading arrangement, then join the club. The WTO was set up to nudge governments along that road. But
A cartel is something very different – it’s a price-fixing arrangement by a group of companies, usually secret. It’s not a government, or series of governments, which tax their citizens or make a trading block. In fact all Western governments are legally obliged to break up cartels (doesn’t stop cartels forming and reforming after being broken up, of course)
The EU negotiates tmost legislation in secret, including trade.
The cartel tries to establish complete control over the supply of something, this is what the EU has done with trade.
I don’t really understand how you can disagree with this.
You want an open world trading arrangement, then join the club. The WTO was set up to nudge governments along that road. But
But we are not allowed to be part of the WTO, because EU says no.
How is the EU bullying us???
Again with the words in mouth thing, twisting what people say I said the EU are bullies, I said they have been deliberately making things difficult for us, but I quoted Italy and Greece, not us, or the fact they are actively suing 3 eastern European, poor countries, for millions because they refuse to accept more immigrants . I didn’t say they are just bullying us. I said they are Bullies
I have also NEVER said that you want a 2nd referendum !! please say where I said that ?
Misleading other readers yet again…..
Yes, the people who govern the EU have definitely bullied Greece with horrible results. They’ve faced severe oppostion fomr the Left throughout Europe, and we should have been supporitng that oppositon instead of supporting the type of austere economi strategy which lay behind that.
Better to reform the EU by trade union and socialist alliances on a continent-wide basis than just sail off from a rules-base organisation with very high standardised rules for health, hygiene, labour standards etc. We’re now sniffing around the Pacific trading block which is forming, Japan, the Philippines Malaysia etc., a risk-based block which doesn’t have the same standards.
The point I’m making is that the present problems don’t stem from the EU bullies, but from our own indecision. We’re a very divided country, and we’re now in danger of heading out of the EU in the most chaotic and disastrous way possible.
I think that Parliament is likely to take control soon.
So are you agreeing with me then or not ? answer the question please. Where did I say you wanted a 2nd referendum ?
I’ve already said I know we are a divided country, a monkey in Chester zoo could tell you we are a divided country, you aren’t telling anyone anything they don’t already know.
You are just repeating yourself. I know the point you are trying to make. You make it repeatedly. One minute the EU are bending over backwards to help us, now you say they are bullies after all ? Which one of us is actually in ‘Fantasy Land ‘ here ? We know what your points are regarding a hard brexit, we know ! You throw out insults and accusations, then when asked to support your accusations you conveniently ignore the question and ramble on re-iterating your point on The Government and Brexit.
answer the question please. Where did I say you wanted a 2nd referendum ?
What are you yammering on about?
I’ve checked several times and I’ve yet to find myself accusing you of sayng anything like that.
You’re not going to harass me out of jc, neither you nor Gerry.
If you want me to leave, just arrange a poll. So far, the only one who want me to leave jc are you and gerry. You’ve wanted that the last time we clashed.
The time you spend trying to bully me out of jc is time you’ll never get back in your life.
Two people wanting me to leave jc are hardly enough. That’s just plain bullying. Arrange a poll, and if jc wants me to leave, I will definitely consider it.
Until then, others are wanting a discussion and I’m going to answer serious points only when they come from the two of you. Not many of those so far.
I can’t bring myself to support a People’s Referendum yet.
The shift in sentiment has to be significant, and it has to be long-lasting.
But the demonstration today is such a heartening response to the Brexit fiasco, bringing together politicians from all parties, including Sadiq Khan, London’ mayor.
It’s so important to keep alive the possibility of re-entering the EU, and I feel sure that this is just the beginning. I hope so anyway.
Here are three people from Norwich at today’s demo.
Fourteen year old Bea (on the right, seen with her mum Emma and her brother Richard) said that her generation”was being left to sort out the mess”.
Proud of you, Bea.
answer the question please. Where did I say you wanted a 2nd referendum ?
What are you yammering on about?
I’ve checked several times and I’ve yet to find myself accusing you of sayng anything like that.
You’re not going to harass me out of jc, neither you nor Gerry.
If you want me to leave, just arrange a poll. So far, the only one who want me to leave jc are you and gerry. You’ve wanted that the last time we clashed.
The time you spend trying to bully me out of jc is time you’ll never get back in your life.
Two people wanting me to leave jc are hardly enough. That’s just plain bullying. Arrange a poll, and if jc wants me to leave, I will definitely consider it.
Until then, others are wanting a discussion and I’m going to answer serious points only when they come from the two of you. Not many of those so far.
Absolutely no clue what all that is about !!!
not a scooby !!
Give up !!
Over 700,000 people marched today.
My family was there, and phoned back to say that it was simply ‘massive, overwhelming’..
Just as the referendum filled me with despair, I now feel much more hopeful.
People aren’t just going to lie down and give in.
It’s certainly very, very nearly time for parliament to finally act on this.
A people’s Vote may not be on the agenda yet, but with the enthusiasm and power of the demonstration today, then our rejoining teh EU is definitely kept on the agenda as a major issue.
Over 700,000 people marched today.
17,410,742 people voted to leave.
700,000 people marching means nothing.A people’s Vote may not be on the agenda yet, but with the enthusiasm and power of the demonstration today, then our rejoining teh EU is definitely kept on the agenda as a major issue.
This is delusional nonsense Scep, the UK will never rejoin the EU.
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Oh, look at the news. You can’t rule anything out, not even a referendum on the deal before we leave though that is unlikely).
Theresa May could easily be out of office by the end of the year. Her deal may easily be voted out by the Commons.
It’s getting very near the time when Parliament could take control of the whole process from May.
700,000 people is very important. It represents a very large number of activists fired up, and can mobilise many beyond its ranks. Such a number has rarely appeared on demonstrations. This lot seem in for the long haul – they’re keeping the EU on the agenda in a period whihc could well end up rejoining.
Only a fool would rule anything out at this turbulent time in British politics.
I’d be a fool to rule out the possibility that everything could be settled by next m\arch, and the demonstration could be seen as a last gasp. That is your hope.
But you’d be a fool if you ruled out a highly possible sequence of events where the brexit process comes unravelling, and whole political situation is transformed by next march. That is my hope.
We’ll have to see.
But I feel very proud of those people.
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