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Ge wrote:

sceptical guy wrote:

Could someone explain to me what a neo-liberal cartel is, and how the EU fits the bill? Do you actually know what a cartel is? Obviously not. I’m still waiting for someone to explin what neo-liberal means. The EU is most certainly not a cartel unless you want to just make up a new meaning for the word. there is much wrong with the EU, and it’s changing a lot to meet the stresses. That’s the way they work. Personally, I would want a fight to make it democratic, as Ken Coates demanded when he was an MEP. But as we’re leaving, that isn’t our job any more.

We have already discussed this previously in depth, I am not going over it again. You just repeat yourself over and over again. You are worse than Q. You are a typical Remainer, only your view is valid and you sneerily dismiss everyone elses. For the past two years.

I did also notice with interest tonight that your buddy Europhile Sir Nick Clegg, who condemned tax avoiding Facebook for allegedly intervening during the referendum, has just accepted a very highly paid job with them, 4 million smackeroonies a year. Not bad work if you can get it… That’s the Remain class for you…

Sorry, Gerry, don’t let fantasy carry you away. Clegg isn’t my buddy. He wants a referendum for onme thing, whereas I don’t.

Oh wait, you said I do. I’m still trying to figure that one out.

We haven’t discussed it in depth at all. I ask questions, you ignore them,.

look up the meaning of cartel in any economics textbook. It doesn’t fit the EU at all!

So how are the  EU bullying us? You say so furiously, and you’re backed by the other Leavers here. In what way?? I’ll tell you in what way. They haven’t for one simple reason. They don’t need to. We’re bolloxing it all up before we even get to negotiations with them on the difficult issues.

If Britain knows what it wants, then they can start to bully.

But Britain doesn’t know what it wants, does it?

Brexit is turning into an awful mess even before we leave!

That’s not my opinion only. It’s the opinion of all commentators, Leave or Remain.

so stop creating scapegoats and making it up, and come out with a good argument. I’m sure you have one.

How am I advocating a second referendum to stop the UK leaving – we are no matte what any of us say or do? In what way is the EU a cartel, much less a neo-liberal one. A simple answer is all that’s needed. In  what way have the EU bullied us??

I don’t think we should stay in any neo-liberal cartel

as I don’t know of any neo-liberal cartel which exists.

I don’t bother arguing as to why we should stay in the EU and fight for reform for one simple reason. We’re leaving and I can’t be bothered to elaborate a make-believe fantasy world about how the world would be rosy if we stayed.

It won’t, we should stay, but we’re leaving.

How are you disagreeing.

So how am I advocating a second referendum, as you and Ms M Have argued? What in hell is a neo-liberal cartel (!!!), and how does the EU fit the bill?? How is the EU bullying us???

As you haven’t answered the last question with a single example, I assume you agree that you’re wrong on this. If I’m wrong, then I’m waiting for an example. trying to get beyond smear to argument, but I’m starting to feel you’re just throwing crap out without any substance.

talk about creating a red herring and then accusing the other person of creating a red herring.

I’ve not been explaining for the reason given. We voted to leave. I said I’m not happy, I want to remain, but we are leaving. If the time comes to argue, I will. I’ve been pointing to the fact that it’s not the walk in the park the brexiteers promised us, and I’m arguing that we’re going to end up in shit creek. Time will tell.

We’re leaving. It’s only a question of the best way to leave.What’s your argument, apart from trying to make up stories that I’m wanting a second referendum??

Where did I say I want one? I say explicitly I don’t want one.

In what way is the EU a neo-liberal cartel. God, it sounds clever, but when challenjged you dodge it pretty quick, don’t you. You have to. The EU isn’t a neo-liberal cartel, it’s a trading bloc.

Play the ball,. not the player.

Tel me how the EU have bullied us, because i gave you reasons as to why they  haven’t.

But we’re not going to get that, are we Gerry?

Because there are no reasons. Its just gobshyte, disguised by making stories up about the TTIP and neo-liberal cxartels and how people voted without being stuffed with lies about being in the money and saving the NHS.

The right-wing Tory brexiteers are leading us into Doom Alley. Leaving the EU doesn’t mean we have to follow them. All this smoke and mirrors seems meant to disguise a Tory agenda.

Ge wrote:

You truly are deluded Sceptical, you pepper your posts with personal attacks on other posters, suggestingg they are ranting or gobshytes etc then squeal “play the ball”.

You NEVER say anything that can be responded to in any other manner, you’re a blagger, you use a kind of emotive hybrid bullshit that provokes just the response you want. When you grow up and provide a grown up argument I am sure people will respond in kind.

Sounds like a self-description to me, Gerry.