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Tbf The Bbc has pretty much lost all credibility with it’s biased reporting on various issues, were do these figures come from? a poll ? no one asked me or anyone I know. As someone who moves about and works in the community a lot I hear lots of discussion about this issue and I believe the pro brexit figures are much higher than 5% lol. In fact quite a lot of people are getting mighty peed off at the constant obstacles and pettiness coming from Remainers and The EU, we voted out as a country and we should be getting out without all this crap, how could we have known what poor losers they would turn out to be ? Yes, it was a leap in the dark to some extent, and yes it hasn’t gone the way people voting out had thought, partly because of certain factions being deliberately unwilling to compromise on any tiny detail, mind you it hasn’t gone the way the Remain campaign predicted either!! Lets not also forget that within a month of a ‘Leave’ result the whole country was going to grind to a halt !
I listened to an interview with Roger Daltry today, who is now a successful cattle farmer, he was articulate and well informed on many subjects, his thoughts on Brexit he kept quite succinct but pointed out that many friends and colleagues he knows were ‘ quiet brexiteers’ as it wasn’t very left wing trendy lol. He also pointed out that The EU Court of Auditors have not signed off on the EU books for over 20 years !!! Hmmm bet there’s a few mill missing here and there when they do ! Maybe they could donate it to Italy or Greece !! (of course that could be fake news….lol )
His feelings do reflect my own feelings to some extent. Not ANTI EUROPE at all merely anti The Eu and their despicable undemocratic politics, faceless bureaucrats dictating laws, they are terrified that if the UK make a success of leaving and eventually flourish the EU will disintegrate, with countries leaving faster than Usain Bolt with a touch of bubble bottom.
As I’ve said before I’m not particularly ‘political’ and far from an expert, I don’t sit at home dredging through all content of news reports , facts ( haha) and figures. It is just my opinion
It’s not a poll, not BBC or anyone else. Just the expression of frustration from a Remainer about the almighty mess we’re getting in.
We’re all ordinary people here, all expressing opinions. Learning from one another’s differences is good.
The mess is caused by us being a badly divided nation. Nothing to do with the EU, which is just defending itself as an important member leaves.
We’re in a mess because Britain is divided. After a disgrace of a referendum campaign in which lying on both sides drowned out cool thinking on our future, and our children’s future, as a trading nation, the mess is getting worse.
We voted to leave the EU, a trading club within which we’ve thrived, and we’re leaving – 29th March, 2019. The problem is how we leave, and what we do when we leave.
The Tory Right, and the bigots of the DUP, are the tail wagging the dog – so far. They want a hard border, and push the myth that we can flourish in a world of economic power clubs by getting rid of all those pesky rules and regulations holding us back. It’s also a myth that the EU is just a power-seeking bureaucracy. It’s basically a trading club, with some countries wanting more.
Most Labour voters voted to remain in the EU, but a substantial minority voted to leave. Labour is pushed into judging Brexit in terms of whether it will hurt jobs and investment. Good!! I’m more than happy with that. That’s how it should be judged, from beginning to end.
We’re all ordinary people here. Ordinary people aren’t leavers, with the élitists being remainers. We’re all divided, and many confused. There’s no majority for any particular type of arrangement. Let’s just hope that the Tory right wing and the DUP don’t win out.
”It’s not a poll, not BBC or anyone else. Just the expression of frustration from a Remainer about the almighty mess we’re getting in.”
Oh right my apologies, so its just some random bloke moaning, sorry but I think the #Panorama was very misleading, as was the Matt Groening cartoon on the Trump thread which had nothing to do with Trump, just another random’s opinion….. tsk
”The mess is caused by us being a badly divided nation. Nothing to do with the EU, which is just defending itself as an important member leaves.”
Agree about us being a divided nation TOTALLY disagree that it has nothing to do with the EU, that’s just a ridiculous statement. Even the words defending itself because an important member leaves sounds so wrong. Leaving, not attacking. Defending itself against what ? As I said the fear that if we leave and succeed the EU is on melt down. Their behaviour has been atrocious from the minute the referendum result came in, scaremongering and threats because we want to leave the club. And when the EU goes into melt down their big fat juicy money for nothing but bullshit bureaucracy salaries go too.
” a trading club within which we’ve thrived,”
Really ? Well maybe you did, tell that to all the people on disability benefits, sick benefits that were cut by half !! Tell that to the people in government funded care homes that got closed, tell that to the NHS, the people sleeping rough, the list is endless…
People voted leave , and not just northern people who don’t know better as the middle class would like to believe, people from all over the country because they are sick of being dictated to by someone they’ve not heard of or seen and having to pay millions for the benefit of it. People have to go to work and earn a wage to keep their families and pay their debts, they don’t have time to sit around reading every paper and moaning on social media about Brexit, whilst sipping a chocca mocca skinny goats milk crappe with caramel and eating a seaweed sandwich on rye with pumpkin seeds ,pushing their bi-focals up there nose and feeling superior because they are thriving and posting clever jibes.
All Labour want is to BE IN POWER, so at their conference it was bandied about that ‘what if we promise another referendum ? ‘ Haha, they aren’t quite that stupid though, just because people are pissed off with the way Brexit has been handled doesn’t mean they would change their vote, and what about the voters who have now seen that it wasn’t the apocalyptic end of Britain that was promised by remainers ?
Nice of the Government to acknowledge they swindled sick people on benefits out of £5000 EACH ! That’s just one we know about ! Thriving …. lol
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The stats on the number of people needing to use food banks, which shot up in 2013-2014 and has grown steadily since would suggest not all were ‘thriving’
That’s just a rant.
The British economy was thriving within the EU, to such an extent that we were the fastest growing economy in the G& on the eve of that disgraceful referendum – we are now one of the slowest.
The fact that people have been suffering is to do with how that wealth has been distributed.
That’s why we need a Labour government in power which is committed to helping the poorest, rather than the Blairite government which was comfortable with people getting rich.
But if there’s less money to be distributed – and that is highly likely in a hard brexit – then all suffer – the poor, the NHS, the education system.
Ditto with the weird view that remainers all sit around drinking a chocca mocha skinny.
A big majority of Labour voters voted not to leave – that included the majority of Liverpool and Manchester. They were not the chocc mocca crowd, but people concerned with their jobs, health and education. All of these are threatened by the mess the govt have landed us in.
If you want to look at the people who are busy laughing up their sleeves at poverty, then look no further than the Tory right wing which seek to free us of all those pesky regulations on healthy, food standards etc, imposed by the EU. It was the leading hard brexiteer, Ian Duncan Smith, who started out Universal Credit which is driving women in Liverpool into prostitution. Don’t cover up for bastards like Jacob Rees Mogg and IDS by pointing a finer of blame at the EU.
The hard brexiteers are driven by the Tory right wing who grow rich on the poverty of ordinary people.
But the big $64 million question!! If you want a brexit which is not going to make the poor even poorer, who do you suggest we vote for?
It’s not a rant at all…. It is my opinion that you telling everyone how good they had it is ridiculous. Stop putting words in my mouth AGAIN.
”A big majority of Labour voters voted not to leave – that included the majority of Liverpool and Manchester. They were not the chocc mocca crowd, but people concerned with their jobs, health and education.”
TALK ABOUT GENERALISATIONS !! So everyone from Manchester and Liverpool can’t afford a chocca mocca crappe ? they are all on benefits or working as bin men are they ? You are so out of touch.
Are only women from Liverpool forced into prostitution ? and only by Universal Credit ? Don’t be absurd.
”That’s why we need a Labour government in power which is committed to helping the poorest, rather than the Blairite government which was comfortable with people getting rich.”
No one is talking about who to vote for, my response was to your very misleading post showing people now still wanting Brexit at 5 % . Anyone with any commonsense knew that any transition wouldn’t be without turmoil and uncertainty, but, at the time of that ‘disgraceful’ referendum most of the people of this country decided to take a chance on running our own country to hopefully provide a better future for our children than be dictated to by some retired banker no one has ever heard of and was not democratically elected. We certainly won’t be the last to leave the EU, and we will be glad we did when we did. The EU are bullies, it isn’t what we signed up for, the poorer countries are thrown under the bus, have hundreds of thousands of refugees living like animals are are fined if they refuse more. The GDP may be better if the remoaners got on board and weren’t constantly preaching doom and gloom . I seriously doubt the referendum would be a disgrace if the result had been remain. The people voted out, they are not all dim witted and not able to comprehend what it entails as you seem to think they are. We are leaving the EU, for better or for worse, better get used to it. Not being drawn into anymore, despite how much you mention Liverpool.
I have to say the way mooosey has put that,is exactley the reson i voted to leave the eu.She is right about the way that ther behavioure has been a disgrace since people have voted to leave.Evry one knows it will be a struggle to begin with,and boy are the eu making it a struggle.I dont think people will change there vot if there is another referendrum.We did sit down and think it all through before voting,and we did think it would be the best thing for our children and grand children.
very misleading post showing people now still wanting Brexit at 5 %
And you honestly expected any different?
The polls have not shifted dramatically one way or another over the past two years or so and more or less mirror what they found before the referendum, with a 5% margin for error, still slightly in favour of Remain. No long term trend has emerged over those two years to hold another referendum despite the bombardment of negative Remain propoganda and if it had the liberal middle class would now be shouting from the rooftops and DEMANDING that second referendum, the EU has done and is currently doing all it can to stall the Brexit process for that very reason.
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”A big majority of Labour voters voted not to leave – that included the majority of Liverpool and Manchester. They were not the chocc mocca crowd, but people concerned with their jobs, health and education.”
TALK ABOUT GENERALISATIONS !! So everyone from Manchester and Liverpool can’t afford a chocca mocca crappe ? they are all on benefits or working as bin men are they ? You are so out of touch.
Are only women from Liverpool forced into prostitution ? and only by Universal Credit ? Don’t be absurd.
The people voted out, they are not all dim witted and not able to comprehend what it entails as you seem to think they are.
Still see an unreasoning rant.
The fantasy is put out that the Remin voters are all chocc mocca drinkers, and the Leavers are all the poor horny handed sons of toil.
Nonsense.
A big majority of Labour voters voted to Remain. They didn’t do it to preserve their posh drinks -and some do drink posh cuppas, but so what?? – they did it because of fears fro their jobs and the future of their children.
The majority who voted leave did that too.
It’s not a question of stupidity. It’s a question of being totally misled in a disgraceful campaign – it was disgraceful because of the lies on both sides, whicc threw a cloud of falsehood over an issue whihc affects the livelihoods of us all.lied to by both sides in the referendum campaign.
I have to say the way mooosey has put that,is exactley the reson i voted to leave the eu.She is right about the way that ther behavioure has been a disgrace since people have voted to leave.Evry one knows it will be a struggle to begin with,and boy are the eu making it a struggle.I dont think people will change there vot if there is another referendrum.We did sit down and think it all through before voting,and we did think it would be the best thing for our children and grand children.
Jamie, the EU are bending over backward to make sure their fingerprints aren’t on the body.
We make it easy for them.
The fingerprints are all British. The EU have done nothing but try to make it easy.
Mrs May worked out a deal last weekend and had to withdraw it when she was faced with half the cabinet threatening to resign, and with the DUP bigots threatening to vote against the budget, whihc would have brought the government down.
One EU leader (Lithuania) said that she was just left in total puzzlement. “We don’t know what they want. They do not know themselves what they want”.
Its a mess – a first-order mess. The fault is entirely British. The EU haven’t been given anything to negotiate. Sometiems they’re amused – as at salzburg – but basically the toughest negotiatiors in the world (the EU) are faced with a UK whihc is lost, flummoxed, trying to do two things which are inconsistent – the freedom to achieve trade deal, and the need to prevent a hard border in Ireland.
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