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16 June, 2018 at 8:42 pm #1098402
So strike up Land of Hope and Glory. Set out the Union Jacks. Sing along and wave your flags. I’m not standing in your way.
Good lad. You’d probably get trampled if you did.
16 June, 2018 at 8:58 pm #1098404We pay far more into the EU budget than we get back, actually it was a net contribution of around £8.5 billion last year (£23 million a day), which is more than we spend on the police service or border controls.
The NHS costs £8.5 billion a month and the Health Service would get an extra £5 billion a year as a result of Brexit. People crying about the NHS relying on foreign immigrants are too thick to realise many people in the Uk can’t get these jobs due to the numbers applying60 per cent of regulations originate from the EU and the 28-member Commission in Brussels — none of whom were elected.
Currently there’s no upper limit on migration and no proper control of our borders. More than three million EU migrants live in the UK — double the number in 2004 when the EU expanded to include Eastern European countries, who have sent more than a million people here (despite the last Labour Government saying it would be only 13,000 a year.)
The net migration from EU countries to the UK, according to official figures, is over 200,000 a year — enough to fill a city the size of Oxford. We have never hit targets to reduce net migration to the tens of thousands — and most agree we never will if we remain inside the EU.
Under EU law, we must let in any EU citizen regardless of their qualifications. The result is businesses can’t get work permits for highly skilled or educated people from the Commonwealth, U.S., Australia and elsewhere outside the EU.
Parliament is powerless, under EU treaties, to defend itself against the rulings of the European Court of Justice — which has interfered in everything from the price of beer to the right to deport terror suspects.
The UK has lost three-quarters of the cases it’s challenged since 1973. This makes a mockery of the idea that the UK’s Supreme Court is supreme.Thanks to Brussels diktats, some of the EU’s most evil killers, rapists and drug-dealers have been allowed to remain here because their right to free movement has been put ahead of keeping the British public safe. A report by the Labour-led Commons Home Affairs Committee said the number of foreign criminals who had not been deported could fill a ‘small town’. British jails hold almost 10,000 foreign prisoners — including 1,000 Poles.
UK law stops anyone from outside the EU entering Britain if their presence is deemed ‘not conducive to the public good’, but Brussels says EU citizens can only be turned away if there is a ‘serious, credible and present threat’.
The the list of criminals able to come here includes a Latvian who murdered his wife before moving to the UK, where he killed a 14-year-old girl. Over the past decade, UK officials have only been able to turn away 11,000 EU nationals.The EU’s Frontex border security agency has warned that jihadists are exploiting the Union’s open borders and the migrant crisis to sneak into the continent and plot atrocities. Two of the attackers responsible for last year’s outrages in Paris used exactly this approach. The British head of Europol also said that as many as 5,000 Islamic State-trained jihadists are moving freely in Europe with Sir Richard Dearlove, ex-head of MI6, saying we would be safer outside of the EU as it would be easier to deport fanatics. Leaving the EU would still allow us to work with U.S. intelligence agencies — as the so-called gold standard ‘Five Eyes’ intelligence-sharing partnership consists of Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the U.S. and the UK.
Shall I go on? Take your whining / EU flag somewhere else sceptical
16 June, 2018 at 8:59 pm #1098405You all passionately believe they do, but what if you’re living a myth?
What if you’re living a myth?
Better to throw out personal abuse, because then no need to take complexities into account.
Whether you are including me in your distinguished “Gang of Four”, I don’t know.
I have not been abusive to you on this thread, or any other.
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16 June, 2018 at 9:11 pm #1098406The British head of Europol also said that as many as 5,000 Islamic State-trained jihadists are moving freely in Europe
Hang ’em.
Why isn’t the EU rinsing them out? W@nkers.
Why doesn’t the EU have a Guantanamo Bay on a remote Scottish island? W@nkers.
2 good reasons to leave the EU.
(Told you I’m not very good at politics)
16 June, 2018 at 9:28 pm #1098407QE,
again as expected.
Coarse humour, which can be very funny, but makes some serious points.
Most of your points are gripes against specific policies.
A couple are relevant to my question of who rules us in the EU.
Give me time to answer them. I said at a reasoned pace, and some important things are happening, but I will answer.
16 June, 2018 at 9:32 pm #1098408(Told you I’m not very good at politics)
Well, I’m not sure about that, but again as expected, you don’t seem great at presenting a case.
Your skills are in taking a loose thread in an argument and taking it apart.
It was actually painful to watch you destroy Gerry on the Trump thread.
If you want to develop a case, or make a coherent argument against what I say, then I’m interested. Not interested in clever game-playing, though. Sorry.
I’m interested here in considering a case and developing it. Let’s hope QE aka Rocky can respond similarly when I do.
16 June, 2018 at 9:39 pm #1098409Morgan. wrote: (Told you I’m not very good at politics) Well, I’m not sure about that, but again as expected, you don’t seem great at presenting a case.
My apologies. I am crap at Politics, I comfortably admit that, as I know my strengths lay in other areas.
Nonetheless, it’s a public forum. I read numerous offbeat and bizarre posts, as well as a diversity of views.
I shall fill my boots accordingly.
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16 June, 2018 at 9:40 pm #1098410It was actually painful to watch you destroy Gerry on the Trump thread.
You live in cloud cuckoo land you sleazy old fart. Now after your anger and abuse you are doing the scholarly school teacher act. Patronizing everyone. Patting them on the head like good doggies.
It’s amusing, when I was pissed I actually did think you had something about you, sober I see you for what you are. A know it know nothing, who is reliant on google for all your knowledge.
Back under your bridge, you sleazy old troll.
16 June, 2018 at 9:47 pm #1098411Morgan. wrote: (Told you I’m not very good at politics) Well, I’m not sure about that, but again as expected, you don’t seem great at presenting a case.
My apologies. I am crap at Politics, I comfortably admit that, as I know my strengths lay in other areas.
Nonetheless, it’s a public forum. I read numerous offbeat and bizarre posts, as well as a diversity of views.
I shall fill my boots accordingly.
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and I won’t/can’t stop you.
What I was saying is that unless you make what I regard as a coherent case, or a relevant question, I won’t be answering you.
That’s all, I think.
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16 June, 2018 at 9:49 pm #1098413It was actually painful to watch you destroy Gerry on the Trump thread.
I resent that comment. I did no such thing.
Ge and I were having some healthy exchanges. I found him very informative actually. I learnt about the Chattering class. Unfortunately Ge became a bit worse for wear from the afternoon Gin, and I had dinner to make so we ended it on a pleasant note.
I look forward to continuing with Ge on that topic some other time.
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