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the Middle East region is being carved up and Russia took her chance to get her slice
Erm you’re about a century too late. Balfour Agreement. The middle east was sliced up a long time ago.
Stop trying to drive down B roads because you are not comfortable driving on the motorway. If you do not want to learn about the regions politics, that is your choice.
Well as of yet, you’ve failed to teach me anything. I think my writings have shown I’m as equipped to opine on this thread as much as the rest of you.
If you believe I’m missing something please feel free to explain to me. If it makes sense, I should get it x
the Middle East region is being carved up and Russia took her chance to get her slice
Erm you’re about a century too late. Balfour Agreement. The middle east was sliced up a long time ago.
I hate to be a pedant, Old Bean, but…
the Balfour Agreement was about the establishment of a Jewish home in Palestine.
The Sykes-Picot Agreement of a year earlier was about the carve-up of the middle East between Britain and France.
It’s been re-carved since. The Americans replaced the Brits, with Israel as their man in the Middle East, while Russia moved in to replace the Brits in Egypt. It was recarved a couple of times again, though the Americans (using Fort Israel) remain the dominant power, which seems to impress you more than it does a lot of us. Russia was kicked out of influence in 1990.
The re-carving Gerry is referring to is the emergence of Iran and Putin moving in to get his slice of the pie again.
Poor bloody Arab civvies. As Paigey noted, their fate is to flee to the welcoming arms of the West as their lands are bombed and re-bombed.
“A perfectly executed strike last night. Thank you to France and the United Kingdom for their wisdom and the power of their fine Military. Could not have had a better result. Mission Accomplished!”
Mission Accomplished!
I hate to be a pedant, Old Bean, but… the Balfour Agreement was about the establishment of a Jewish home in Palestine. The Sykes-Picot Agreement of a year earlier was about the carve-up of the middle East between Britain and France. It’s been re-carved since. The Americans replaced the Brits, with Israel as their man in the Middle East, while Russia moved in to replace the Brits in Egypt. It was recarved a couple of times again, though the Americans (using Fort Israel) remain the dominant power, which seems to impress you more than it does a lot of us. Russia was kicked out of influence in 1990. The re-carving Gerry is referring to is the emergence of Iran and Putin moving in to get his slice of the pie again. Poor bloody Arab civvies. As Paigey noted, their fate is to flee to the welcoming arms of the West as their lands are bombed and re-bombed.
I too hate to be a pedant Old bean but, “re-carve” is the wrong terminology in my opinion. A “re-carve” implies a re-carving, modification of borders, the foundation and deconstruction of countries and territories. Like in the Sykes-Picot Agreement. None of that has happened for a long time, and isn’t currently happening now.
What you describe is more of a regional power shift and influence shift, allegiance shifts. Geographical re-carving is not happening. No borders have been, or will be moved.
Regional power and influence shifts are less permanent than Geographical recarvings.
Jerusalem, and other areas have been under the Ottomans, British and the Israelis in the last 100 years, whilst its borders haven’t changed much
Call me a pedant Old Bean, but I don’t think that (temporary / short term) local regional sectarian shifts in influence quite constitutes a “re-carving”
(As we’re all being so pedantic, can we say re-slice and re-carve are the same ?
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the Middle East region is being carved up and Russia took her chance to get her slice.
What slice has Russia actually “got”?
From where I’m sat, they have “got” FA. They are TRYING to help a mate out in Assad, but his position looks quite untenable and fragile and has done for years now, wouldn’t you agree? If, as is very possible Assad doesn’t survive this Syrian war, what will Putin have then?
Take the above before you start on this:
Maybe Assad will win, and sends Putin home packing with a thankyou note. What has Putin “got” then other than a pretty useless and disgraced dictator mate of a dysfunctional state in the middle east. Nothing much to brag to have “got” in my opinion.
I’d rather Iraq next door, or Saudi myself x
I too hate to be a pedant Old bean but, “re-carve” is the wrong terminology in my opinion.
You are a pedant darling, as you google away franticly regarding the historical “carving” of the Middle East. In one breathe on this thread you argue history is irrelevant and in the very next breathe quote history. No one said “geographical”, nor meant geographically. We could all spend hours on these boards picking up on language but it just avoids the topic and throttles the discussion, which is Syria and the recent bombings.
I know you enjoy driving slowly on B roads to get to your destiny because you are not confident driving quickly down the motorway, but please… stop holding the traffic up by taking needless detours which suit your journey and only your journey.
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