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lol- wait til Emma returns, they’ll be another thread about the storming success of the BNP last night
Well Cas, I stand by what I said. BNP voters are, generally speaking, a bit thick. I know Nick Griffin went to Cambridge but the TYPICAL bnp voter is not too bright. Typically speaking, they’re not well-educated and those sort of people will believe any old crap when some demagogue comes along spouting out populist slogans.
To put it bluntly, people who vote BNP are either bigots or they’re bloody stupid. I don’t buy the protest vote argument because no matter how much you hate the main 3 parties voting for neo-nazis is just an insult to the memory of all those who died to keep the evil of nazism out of this country. It also brings disgrace on the area where you live.
I’m not saying every single immigrant is a saint, but what I am saying is that people should be judged on their own individual merits and not on which country they come from or what colour their skin is. For example just because some English football fans have been involved in hooliganism abroad does that mean that every Englishman abroad should be regarded as a thug? Just because Myra Hindley and Mary Bell killed children does that mean that every white woman is a potential child-murderer? So you can’t say that just because some immigrants or some non-white people do bad things they all deserve to be demonized, deported or denied entry to the country.
This is the 21st century and yet the BNP and other far-right groups are trying to drag the world back into the dark ages. Churchill said he wanted to wipe out every last vestige of the nazi regime until only the memory of it remained as “A WARNING FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS”. The people of Barking obviously didn’t heed his warning.
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
I’m not saying every single immigrant is a saint, but what I am saying is that people should be judged on their own individual merits and not on which country they come from or what colour their skin is. For example just because some English football fans have been involved in hooliganism abroad does that mean that every Englishman abroad should be regarded as a thug? Just because Myra Hindley and Mary Bell killed children does that mean that every white woman is a potential child-murderer? So you can’t say that just because some immigrants or some non-white people do bad things they all deserve to be demonized, deported or denied entry to the country.
Logically, and by the same token, you can’t say that every BNP candidate or supporter is a Nazi thug or criminal can you?
It may well be that within their ranks there are criminals, adulterers, racists, Nazis and so on and so forth. But equally there may well be a number of people who genuinely believe that they have had enough of so-called multi-culturalism and want to see a political party represent their views.
I know that this may seem a wee bit radical, but within the law we do have an old fashioned belief in the freedom of speech in this country. it always surprises me when people resort to hurling abuse along the lines of Fascist, Nazi, racist etc etc instead of rationally demolishing the argument put forward by the BNP and their ilk.
The basic problem with the East End is it’s full of Cockernees. I mean, you’re talking about a bunch of criminal masterminds that thought they could conceal their nefarious activities by simply substituting incriminating words with ones that sounded just like them. :lol:
@forumhostpb wrote:
@Mr Bigstuff wrote:
I’m not saying every single immigrant is a saint, but what I am saying is that people should be judged on their own individual merits and not on which country they come from or what colour their skin is. For example just because some English football fans have been involved in hooliganism abroad does that mean that every Englishman abroad should be regarded as a thug? Just because Myra Hindley and Mary Bell killed children does that mean that every white woman is a potential child-murderer? So you can’t say that just because some immigrants or some non-white people do bad things they all deserve to be demonized, deported or denied entry to the country.
Logically, and by the same token, you can’t say that every BNP candidate or supporter is a Nazi thug or criminal can you?
It may well be that within their ranks there are criminals, adulterers, racists, Nazis and so on and so forth. But equally there may well be a number of people who genuinely believe that they have had enough of so-called multi-culturalism and want to see a political party represent their views.
I know that this may seem a wee bit radical, but within the law we do have an old fashioned belief in the freedom of speech in this country. it always surprises me when people resort to hurling abuse along the lines of Fascist, Nazi, racist etc etc instead of rationally demolishing the argument put forward by the BNP and their ilk.
The BNP has always been a neo-nazi party. So it’s perfectly reasonable and logical to call party members nazis. They have fooled some people with their new media-friendly image but underneath the designer-suits and populist slogans it’s still the same old neo-nazi party. Being in the BNP makes you a nazi as much as being in the Green Party makes you an environmentalist because the actions of an activist in either of those organisations go towards the advancement of the agendas of those parties.
Both the British Electoral Standards Commission and the European Parliament have decided that “nazi” is an accurate description of the BNP.If you still don’t believe it read this:
“National Democratic Party, Germany’s leading nazi group. NPD leaders deny the Holocaust took place and revere Adolf Hitler. The NPD shares many of its activists with the outlawed Blood and Honour skinhead movement. Griffin addressed a NPD rally in August 2002. NPD activists have attended BNP events in Britain”.
The head of the NPD is the son of an SA officer. He described Hitler as “A great German Statesman” His party marched through Berlin in 2001 with banners saying “To the glory of the German Wehrmacht.” They are affiliated to another German neo-nazi party that was founded by a former SS officer. At that same NPD rally that Griffin and other BNP members attended was David Duke, former-head of the KKK. If the BNP isn’t racist or neo-nazi what were they doing there?
That is overwhelming evidence of the racist and nazi nature of the BNP. So, when someone calls them “nazis” it’s not to make a flippant remark it’s because the ideology of the BNP is nazism.
Yes I see where you’re coming from Mr Bigstuff – but there’s something I still don’t get.
For the life of me I don’t understand why it is that ‘anti BNP’ people have such a total fixation on the Nazis and association with so-called ‘Nazism’. I mean Adolf Hitler killed himself a few months before I was born and God only knows that was long enough ago. The things they did, awful though they were, happened 60 to 80 years ago.
This is the 21st Century, amazing though this may seem, and writing off a political party because it has its roots in an ideology that effectively died 60 years ago doesn’t make any sense to me.
Why is it that the BNP ‘haters’ spend all their time ‘proving’ links to a bygone era (last Century ffs) and NOT demolishing their current policies?
@tommy-toxen wrote:
I’ve read their policies, thoroughly.
Once in power, Nick Griffin has absolute control, over everything. – Which obviously means he will either have the Monarchy executed so they cannot demand his arrest.
He ‘hints’ towards a war with Ireland to bring it back under British control.
He wants all non-whites, despite whether they were born here or not, to “f u ck off back to their own country”, he says he would offer financial aid to do this (a plane ticket, probably)
British citizens who are not white are “free to stay here as guests” if they do not want to “go home”
The BNP has a lot of policies, and I have to admit I do support the majority of them, it’s just the above examples that let them down.
1) The full withdrawal from the evil, anti-British EU
2) Being tough on the causes of crime – CRIMINALS
3) restoration of proper measurements (lb, oz, gallons)
4) corporal punishment
5) capital punishment for paedophiles, rapists, terrorists & murderers IF they have been caught red handed and/or have undeniable DNA evidence against them
6) The rebuilding of British industry
7) Organic farming
8) Slashing beaurocracy in the NHS so the money can be spent on beds & nurses, and re-introduction of the old-style Matrons
9) Development of cleaner fuels
10) More greenbelts, a greener Britain
11) Looking after the elderly – or as they put it “Pensioners before foreigners”, cut foreign aid to help the suffering and poor people here
12) Expand the militarySo their policies on their own aren’t bad, they’re actually very good and very, very British. They’re against the devolution of Great Britain and want to retain full control of N.I, and hint towards taking control of EIRE. (Good or bad thing? leave that up to you to decide!)
It’s a good party ran by bad people – that is my quarrel with them.
The Party its self, I think, could win a general election if it scr apped the “send all the darkies back” mentality, and expelled anyone with a criminal record from standing as a candidate.
Unfortunately, they do openly support racialism, and unfortunately they have a lot of rapists, burglars, and thugs who idolize Adolf Hitler among them.
=D> This is the thing i agree with most of what they do but RACISM isnt a good thing at all but other than that they have very valid points (i like the punishment for pervs the best) :wink:
You see, this is my point. when you take a close look at their actual policies, they strike a resonant chord with an awful lot of people.
It’s only when you decend into frothing at the mouth and hurling inflammatory accusations of Nazism etc etc, that the argument loses its point.
I wonder if they could suitably modify their ‘repatriation’ policies to bring them into line with, for example, New Labour’s? But actually implement them and make them work.
@forumhostpb wrote:
I mean Adolf Hitler killed himself a few months before I was born…
You think maybe the CSA were after him PB?
Well somebody was that’s for sure.
Just as a totally off topic thought…… but i wonder how a trial of Adolf Hitler would have played in today’s world???
OK so you would have ”evidence” of his complicity in the holocaust – and that’s just the Jews. In addition there are the hundreds of thousands if not millions of other people that were murdered in the various death camps, execution sites and so on.
I guess that we would be knee deep in lawyers protesting that his Human Rights had been violated, or that a Court didn’t have jurisdiction. Then all the bleeding heart Liberals would stop hugging their trees for a moment to protest that if we executed him we were no worse that animals etc etc.
It has always struck me as somewhat odd that people use him and Facism and of course good old Nazism as gross insults but seem to inadvertently forget the (allegedly) 20 million or so that Stalin had murdered or our good friend Pol Pot who again did in millions and millions of ‘innocent’ citizens so as to ”cleanse” his country.
I wonder if there is any point in tracing some BNP members to possible Stalinist sympathies – or even Pol Potism??? Now THAT would be a thought?
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