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27 September, 2007 at 8:09 am #288353
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
They are still killing infected animals (and stating that this is to halt any spread of the disease), yet it can’t be spread from animal to animal and in any case the animals recover. Duuuuurrrhh!
Is this one OK ?
27 September, 2007 at 10:44 am #288354Ere we go again with the tree huggin band thinking animals shouldn’t be treated in this way :roll: :roll:
Elderly people shouldn’t be treated the way they are either, there are lots of cases of them being abused by the very people who are supposed to be looking after them,,,,,,but,,,,,theres no such law for the elderly, as there is with animals and children.
Now if Pebbles and the like were shouting from the rooftops about that, as they are over an animal, who’s life is mapped out from the day it’s born, one day it’s going to go to the slaughter house and become part of the food chain!! Then!! I might be impressed,,,,,,,,get a grip ffs!!! :roll:
27 September, 2007 at 10:20 pm #288355@cas wrote:
Ere we go again with the tree huggin band thinking animals shouldn’t be treated in this way :roll: :roll:
Elderly people shouldn’t be treated the way they are either, there are lots of cases of them being abused by the very people who are supposed to be looking after them,,,,,,but,,,,,theres no such law for the elderly, as there is with animals and children.
Now if Pebbles and the like were shouting from the rooftops about that, as they are over an animal, who’s life is mapped out from the day it’s born, one day it’s going to go to the slaughter house and become part of the food chain!! Then!! I might be impressed,,,,,,,,get a grip ffs!!! :roll:
What a pathetic statement lol. Just because the animals life is “mapped out” doesnt make it right! Who are you to decide whos life is more valuable eh?? Its because of small minded people like you that animal abuse exists in the first place.
And, I think you’ll find that there are laws in place regarding abusing the elderly lol, but that doesnt mean it still doesnt happen.
27 September, 2007 at 10:23 pm #288356There’s nothing wrong with animal abuse. I regularly abuse the next door neighbour’s cat, especially when it shits on my lawn.
It now thinks its name is c*nt !!!
27 September, 2007 at 11:23 pm #288357And, I think you’ll find that there are laws in place regarding abusing the elderly lol, but that doesnt mean it still doesnt happen.
Check it out,,,,,,it doesnt exist,,,,,,,,,NSPCC for children, as there should be,,,,,,,,RSPCA for animals,,,,,and we both know how we each feel about that,,,,,,,there is NO, such organisation in existence, for the elderly
27 September, 2007 at 11:24 pm #288358You are right Cas. All there is for elderly people is “help the aged” and similar charities.
No laws Im afraid :evil:
27 September, 2007 at 11:28 pm #288359@sharongooner wrote:
You are right Cas. All there is for elderly people is “help the aged” and similar charities.
No laws Im afraid :evil:
Thankyou Sharon.
Yes theres Age Concern,,,,my mum used to call them Age Un-Concerned, lol bless her.
They closed down a lot of the lunch clubs,,,,,,one that she used to go to, not for lunch but for an afternoon, with her freinds. They were told they could continue to go but it wouldn’t be as it was before, as most of the people going would be mentally / physically disabled, with their carers etc etc., they were made to feel like they wouldn’t really be welcome.
Age Concern organise things like this,,,,house, personal insurance, holidays for the elderly etc., not much else.
27 September, 2007 at 11:30 pm #288360@cas wrote:
And, I think you’ll find that there are laws in place regarding abusing the elderly lol, but that doesnt mean it still doesnt happen.
Check it out,,,,,,it doesnt exist,,,,,,,,,NSPCC for children, as there should be,,,,,,,,RSPCA for animals,,,,,and we both know how we each feel about that,,,,,,,there is NO, such organisation in existence, for the elderly
ermm….help the aged??? :roll:
and as for “RSPCA for animals,,,,,and we both know how we each feel about that,,,,,,,” Ohhh so you actually dont think that such an organisation shouldnt exist and that what some people do to animals is acceptable?
Funny how you think one form of abuse is outrageous, yet another form is perfectly acceptable…thing is, I actually dont like the idea of animal OR elderly abuse…i didnt realise I had to choose :roll:
27 September, 2007 at 11:37 pm #288361@~Pebbles~ wrote:
@cas wrote:
And, I think you’ll find that there are laws in place regarding abusing the elderly lol, but that doesnt mean it still doesnt happen.
Check it out,,,,,,it doesnt exist,,,,,,,,,NSPCC for children, as there should be,,,,,,,,RSPCA for animals,,,,,and we both know how we each feel about that,,,,,,,there is NO, such organisation in existence, for the elderly
ermm….help the aged??? :roll:
and as for “RSPCA for animals,,,,,and we both know how we each feel about that,,,,,,,” Ohhh so you actually dont think that such an organisation should exist and that what some people do to animals is acceptable?
Funny how you think one form of abuse is outrageous, yet another form is perfectly acceptable…thing is, I actually dont like the idea of animal OR elderly abuse…i didnt realise I had to choose :roll:
I think any kind of abuse Pebbles is wrong, whether it be against a human being, an animal a child……… I find none of it acceptable….but I do also find it awful strange, that whilst there are laws in place to protect children and animals, there are none for the elderly.Have you seen any of the under cover programmes lately, on the way some of these people are treated, in the homes they’re in, in their own homes! Would you like it if it happened to a relative of yours, I think not. If you haven’t seen any of them, maybe you should, you might have a little understanding of where i’m coming from.
And please don’t pigeon hole me as a person who thinks one is ok and the other isn’t, I don’t. I do tho, just wish that people would shout equally as loudly, for the rights of elderly people, not to suffer abuse at the hands of those who are supposed to be caring for them.
28 September, 2007 at 6:38 am #288362Jeez lol
Get a friggin grip for gawds sake lol
What next? People complaining that weeds shouldnt be killed but should lovingly be removed from farmers fields and replanted in weed sanctuarys by weed protection agencies?
Where is the “abuse” here? As pointed out there ARE rules pertaining to abuse of animals, so when LIVESTOCK is culled due to disease its done as humanely as it is under normal reasons for killing them so there isnt “abuse”, abuse would be letting them live and continue to suffer without medication as they would if they lived in the wild and got the exact same illness
The sane breakdown here is this
1) The animal is bred TO be killed
2) Where its deemed to be unfit for consumption due to illness its killed sooner by the same methods employed when it IS killed to be eaten
So its death is no more or less “abusive” either way. only the reason for its death has changed, not the process or methodology behind it
As for laws to protect the elderly, arent the elderly people?
So we already have loads of laws to protect them, the same laws that also protect other none elderly people from abuse in the forms of assualt, physical and mental harm, deprivation of liberty and many other things
Laws dont only apply until youre 65 and then cease to be relevant meaning a new and entirely separate set of laws for over 65’s are needed lol
Are people confuddling “laws” and “proceedures” there perchancey?
There are loads of additional “proceedures” for child protection, some created via the judiciary as its the only way they can be applied within the framework of the law and use existing powers where the existing wording was too vague and left loopholes which made it hard to overstep parental boundaries and where the “definition of care” had been left to a parents sole discretion
But none of that applies with oldies as they are in the eyes of the law autonomous beings with self responsibility and no parental primary responsibilities that need to be overuled for laws pertaining to minimum levels of care to apply over and above the legal guardians wishes
So you already CANT subject a wrinkly to persecution, physical harm, embarassment, deprivation, subjugation, forced detention, neglect and a whole host of other things which ARE the “abuses” being talked about
Its not the “laws” that are lacking, merely the standards of care, monitoring and proceedures surrounding those things which are lacking
Its a dilligence issue, not a legal one
As we are seeing with the yob problem, you CAN keep throwing new laws at something all day long as a means to looking like youre doing something to fix the problem
But laws alone do nothing if nobody is enforcing them, if the “penalties” are laughable, if the people the laws are designed to discourage arent being caught or arent bothered by the laws etc etc
I personally reckon that a lot of the whinging about the “laws” needed to protect old folks is amplified because the people crooning for them are trying on various levels to allay their own guilt for wanting to have their old folks cared for by someone else because they dont want to be bogged down and have their lives affected by doing it themselves
So they calm their conscience by trying to find something to do for “oldies” to appease the darkest most suppressed parts of their subconcious guilts in a way that doesnt impinge too much on their social lives, bank balances and holidays like actually having their parents at home and caring for them themselves would do
Its a common psychological diversion for people to avoid topics they know they are lacking in and throw some half assed energies into the vocal support of totally different or peripherally related ones as a method of self appeasment, atonement and self justification for their own perceived moral “sins”
Its nothing new at all
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