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I have read all the comments and believe me when I say I am in favour of the action taken but there is a niggling doubt here…………………… :( :(
I have been in an impossible situation where I haven’t enough staff to ” do the job the right way ” no matter how much I begged and pleaded for more and told bosses that it was impossible, I have worked myself into the ground working ridiculous hours for the same wage if I had worked 9 to 5 and I imagine there is many in my position throughout the country in all sorts of jobs. Yes I have given my bosses ” happy sheets ” to keep them happy whilst dealing with four times the workload myself and my colleagues should have had….this one person should not be personally accountable for what happened to that poor child…it is the system that failed and lets not forget it was those monsters that killed that child.
By the way I am not in social work because I couldn’t live with myself if a child was hurt that I could have prevented, so noone dies if my work is behind but if a customer doesn’t get what they want or a phone call isn’t returned due to workloads, you would think that the world has ended how some people react…….
I do know people in social work jobs who don’t have the resources to do what they should despite raising the matter time and time again with the bosses …….I read that phone calls to social service have increased by 300% following the Baby P case with raised social awareness – could you cope with that increase in your job without something suffering ??? And lets not forget, those monsters will get new identities when they emerge from jail………………….the people who worked in social services will not and will live with this forever ……there for the grace of god go someone we know…
Gets off her soap box and walks away……. :( :(
Well we all know the reason why “…..those monsters will get new identities when they emerge from jail” don’t we?
The tabloids would take enormous pleasure in publishing their addresses and suchlike and as night follows day, “those monsters” will be killed by a baying mob whipped up into a frenzy of self justified rage. (A bit like all the “friends” of Sharon Matthews eh?).
Now you might want to argue that they were getting all they richly deserved. If so why bother imprisoning them at all, in fact why bother putting them on trial? All you need is a few inflammatory articles in the Sun or Mail etc and an accused could be simply dragged out of their homes into the street and summarily butchered by a mob.
Alternatively, you might want to take the view that a legal punishment is just that, and that once an offender has served their time, they should be allowed to return into society.
I am left to remember the paediatrician in Southampton who was hounded out of their home and nearly killed in the street, all because a bunch of Sun readers mistook “paediatrician” for “paedophile”.
A catalogue of error and one small, innocent child dies. Let’s hope it never happens again and that lessons can be learned from such a dreadful tragedy. The pain that poor child went through could be inflicted on the abusers, would that change anything?
I agree with some of what LL says. The system that allows understaffing to continue places greater stress on those actually left at work. Just a thought, I wonder how many children have been saved from a life of pain and suffering? I know I couldn’t do that type of job as all children would end up in care. I think I’d be terrified to make the wrong decision! However care homes have not exactly been shown to be the best of places either! I’ve seen and heard via the media of children being wrongfully removed from their parents as well.
Were the social workers the only people to blame? Surely the consultant or doctor in casualty was one of the biggest factors in returning wee Baby P home to die with a broken back.
A foolproof system with foolproof policies and procedures. Could it ever be possible? 100% target without mistake or error?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/lizhunt/3698022/Baby-P-A-question-of-conscience.html
health visitors leaving, social workers being spat at in the streets of Britain.. ffs.
I agree with most of what lovely lady said. YES there WERE mistakes made. But we HAVE to remember this was a very cunning “mother” who grew up learning to screw the system.
I personally know health visitors and social workers, and they are getting scared to go into certain parts here, as its THEM thats being interrogated, by the public. and every disagreement ends with the usual ” oh you lot are rotten look at the baby p case” By some shyte parent who is holding their baby upside down to feed it! One health visitor friend of mine has been refused entry into houses !
A great paranoia has swept this nation. And the Sun and the daily mail continue to drip feed the masses.Giving them little teasers here and there to keep circulation levels high. Pleasing their advertisers no end.
People ,, oh dear people, it was the 3 accused that killed this bairn. Not the system, the state,the health visitors.
But sheer evil. Something Wicked this way comes…
and for the record, i hope the 3 accused get battered on a daily basis !
@tinkerbell wrote:
@lovely Lady wrote:
this one person should not be personally accountable for what happened to that poor child…it is the system that failed and lets not forget it was those monsters that killed that child.
:( :(
She was part of the system, in fact she was in charge of the whole bloody affair so of course she’s going to be held accountable. However, I do think other people are responsible too.
The monsters in question are more respsonsible than everyone else, however they are not in a position of child protection. Sharon Shoesmith is, or at least was in a position of authority and child protection and dispite the system failing itself, people who work there are part of the system so in result are partly responsible. I think it was the right decision for her to go.Quite agree – The system is there to protect these kids at the end of the day, & yet AGAIN it failed.
Well we blame the “system” and we blame “social workers” but I wonder, I really wonder if we are right in doing this?
I still have this iawful mage of Karen Matthews (mother of Shannon) being supported by her “friends” – all up in arms at the terrible thing apparently having been done to her ‘missing’ daughter.
I find it really hard to accept that nobody had the slightest inkling that Karen Matthews was a ‘wrong ‘un’.
In the same way, I find it really hard to accept that Baby P’s mother somehow managed to fool ALL of her friends – including her childminder, who saw Baby P practically every day, and apparently noticed nothing at all.
Yes it’s the easy option to blame the social services and those that were in charge, but maybe we ought to look at ourselves a little bit harder eh?
@forumhostpb wrote:
Well we all know the reason why “…..those monsters will get new identities when they emerge from jail” don’t we?
The tabloids would take enormous pleasure in publishing their addresses and suchlike and as night follows day, “those monsters” will be killed by a baying mob whipped up into a frenzy of self justified rage. (A bit like all the “friends” of Sharon Matthews eh?).
Now you might want to argue that they were getting all they richly deserved. If so why bother imprisoning them at all, in fact why bother putting them on trial? All you need is a few inflammatory articles in the Sun or Mail etc and an accused could be simply dragged out of their homes into the street and summarily butchered by a mob.
Alternatively, you might want to take the view that a legal punishment is just that, and that once an offender has served their time, they should be allowed to return into society.
I am left to remember the paediatrician in Southampton who was hounded out of their home and nearly killed in the street, all because a bunch of Sun readers mistook “paediatrician” for “paedophile”.
Id more than happily publish where they lived or do the dragging out on the street and the butchering.
With regard to the Sun readers i hope these people were apprehended and put on some adult education programme at the very least@forumhostpb wrote:
Well we blame the “system” and we blame “social workers” but I wonder, I really wonder if we are right in doing this?
I still have this iawful mage of Karen Matthews (mother of Shannon) being supported by her “friends” – all up in arms at the terrible thing apparently having been done to her ‘missing’ daughter.
I find it really hard to accept that nobody had the slightest inkling that Karen Matthews was a ‘wrong ‘un’.
In the same way, I find it really hard to accept that Baby P’s mother somehow managed to fool ALL of her friends – including her childminder, who saw Baby P practically every day, and apparently noticed nothing at all.
Yes it’s the easy option to blame the social services and those that were in charge, but maybe we ought to look at ourselves a little bit harder eh?
;) YEP.
Hmmmm this post could run & run …….
Anyway for what it’s worth I still stand by my comment about the “No blame” school of thought, that is adopted by alot of these government departments. SOMEONE somewhere has got to put their hands up & say “yep we screwed up” (or words to that effect) & accept responsibility.
There has been loads of “areas for improvement” documented in several cases reguarding Child Protection issues.
May be this one has struck a cord because after the dreadful Climbie case several issues of “system” were highlighted & recomendations put in place. It would appear in the case of Baby P the very people that were supposed to care turned a blind eye.
You could blame the Dr’s or the social workers but ultimately the main carers of this poor boy inflicted the terrible injuries. That is not disputed, but, ultimately the police had highlighted their concerns for this childs safety after being called by someone was concerned & advised social services to take him into care for his own safety.
THAT ADVICE WAS IGNORED BY SOCIAL SERVICES &, the rest as they say is history. SO forgive me & many others who are still of the opinion that although Baby P’s excuse for a mother & her “partner” were guilty of inflicting the injuries & get all they deserve, Social services FAILED to protect him too – so why the hell shouldn’t we “blame ” them??
I don’t deny that social workers etc have a heavy workload but my problem with it is even when the suspicion was highlighted & documented , the police involved & advised that Baby P be taken into care it was all swept under the carpet with the most terrible consequence.At the end of the day, I think all the British public want is to see that the system is NOT failing yet again – the society we live in these days means we are more informed than perhaps we were in the past.
Well put Sarah. I agree with everything you said there. =D>
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