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Just read Panda’s thread and well after some googling, Badgers are the main carriers of bovine tb, which in turn causes the taxpayer shed loads of money to KILL the infected livestock, which give meat and milk to those who choose to eat and drink such things.
Badgers however dont give back anything as such, and are related to the weasle.
Kill em all i say. Relax Panda im joking (well kinda) but in honesty i dont see why animals who carry diease are allowed to roam free while other animals that people need to make a livelyhood should be killed due to the badgers, do you get what im saying?
If there was other ways to save the farmers livelyhood and keep the badgers too, id vote for that but until then i think the badgers should go, not to the point of extiction but enough to save the cows etc.
I havent opened your link so if im missing a big part in the stop the culling please let me know and i can make a more informed opinion.
The link was directly to the e petition, which is here:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/38257
More info can be found here:
http://www.hsi.org/issues/badger_slaughter/
Thank you for asking for further info.
“Large numbers of badgers targeted in the government’s proposed cull could be left maimed and bleeding to death and even disappear altogether from large parts of England, claim expert scientists and naturalists appearing in a new campaign video for HSI/UK.”
OK thats wrong, that is letting the animal die in pain, which I am against.
Shame noone (including myself) can’t see an other way around it.
Is their a farmer on this site who can tell me if by keeping some sort of device on their land to scare the badgers away be as effective and more humane than shooting them?
i love badgers,they have been responsible for loads of my favourite films, just to name a few
the badger always rings twice
snow white and the 7 badgers
honey ive shrunk the badgers
midnight badger
throw badger from the trainim sure theres lots more?
@rogue trader wrote:
i love badgers,they have been responsible for loads of my favourite films, just to name a few
the badger always rings twice
snow white and the 7 badgers
honey ive shrunk the badgers
midnight badger
throw badger from the trainim sure theres lots more?
Not to mention “Badger of Honour”
But seriously, as a species our farming of cattle is not natural in the sense of ‘wild’ but industrial. Much of what we do with cattle to support milk and beef production – forced gestation, prolonged milking, selective breeding, culling of resulting over-production of calves, castration of bulls, feeding on hormones and protein-rich food etc. has from time to time produced or fostered epidemics.
The consumption in quantity of beef products and milk in the west is largely cultural and fashionable as there are other sources of the nutrients they provide, some of which we avoid for reasons of culture and like so much else, we over-produce to satisfy our over-consumption.
To argue that badgers don’t give anything back because we don’t commercially exploit them is not sound. They will have a place in the ecosystem and the effect of removing them completely might well be catastrophic, but we wouldn’t know until too late.
We are papering over natural crises already such as the disappearance of bees, which we don’t know the reasons for. We should take that as a warning about further wholesale interference with species.
i believe that badgers should have the vaccine that is available to stop the Bovine TB ……..they are beautiful animals ……….it is man that decides to cull……..we’re not always right
@tinks wrote:
i believe that badgers should have the vaccine that is available to stop the Bovine TB ……..they are beautiful animals ……….it is man that decides to cull……..we’re not always right
Well said. I don’t understand why the human race thinks the answer to such issues is killing. We are the most destructive species on this planet.
yeah lets just keep killing the cows instead,by hundreds and thousands every week (which costs the taxpayers btw) making farmers continue to lose their livelihood,diminish future generations of farming in this country by loss of farms, farmers losing both their sanity, sometimes their lives, some of the highest suicide rates , especially in Devon, (sad but true), at least every single badgers will be saved,the animal that carries TB and has a remarkable tolerance to the bacteria to spread it far and wide long term,leave them free instead to spread it to the deer, fox, moles, voles, and( cats, which this one especially could then increase spread to humans,) to name but a few, instead. Then we can import meat from abroad get rid of our countryside and put up a whole load of tower blocks maybe. Oh nope we can’t do that cos we would have to move the badgers, erm maybe just let the badgers roam free on all the un farmed land, maybe grow a few oats for them to munch on too.
Ok so this is a bit of a sarcy post, and if the truth be known i do want badgers to remain part of our wildlife, but opposing restricted culls, just for the sake of not wanting to kill some sweet lovable (highly aggressive truth be known) badger at the detriment of all else is though sweet, is naive and burying your head, i think this needs attacking hard and fast on every side, removing infected cattle, as we are doing, good husbandry, but also removing the infected and only known “maintenance” host of this disease,bovine tb, “the badger” to try and get it back under control.
The endemic is not only on its way,its arrived in some parts of the country, we need to do something other than keep throwing our arms up in protest. Yes a vaccine would be a great idea, but in fact has only been available for the last year or two and as yet has not been properly studied as to the effects especially long term of this. The hard thing is even after culling there will be no instant effect, Tb can remain in the soil for a year or two so it will take some years to see any real effect and in the meantime i think they will have to keep culling as they are doing the infected cattle. Its a harsh reality that we need to do something and do it now, even vaccination, will take not only years but alot of money, although i think this willl pay for itself eventually, to achieve, long term best answer i agree,definately, but for now we need to do something rather than just march and protest while the badgers are left freely spreading the disease still.If vaccination is the answer then it needs to start right now……….if it takes a few years for the required result then I guess they will still have to be culled (if there is an epidemic) but hopefully, eventually culling will be a thing of the past.
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