Are you British?

@slayer wrote:

@Sgt Pepper wrote:

@bassingbourne55 wrote:

British, always British. The island we live on is called Great Britain and it is one nation.
Great Britain should never be split up. The UK (which includes northern Ireland as well as Great Britain) is a different matter – N.Ireland should remain in the UK while the majority of its population wish to stay. If the majority wish to join with Eire, that wish should be granted.

:-k
Sorry… seems I’m a tad confused here :roll:
Correct me if I’m wrong (and please note that I may well be), but is it your stance that any current or prospective devolved rights, or even Sovereign Independence issues regarding Scotland, England and Wales differ from Northern Ireland due to the first three being part of the Island of Great Britain?
If so, I find that most peculiar I must say :roll:

Surely the crucial principle of consent applied to Northern Ireland must apply to the other three “parts” of the United Kingdom?
Or do you view Northern Ireland as a somewhat lesser component of the mix?
You state that it is the Island of Great Britain that implies Britishness.. and the UK “is a different matter”, which perhaps, is true from a certain geographical and semantic position – ie The Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland gig..

BUT.. in the context of what you (quite rightly) state regarding the consent issue of Northern Ireland, your “Great Britain should never be split up.” pronouncement troubles me. For it would seem you draw the line at consent regarding separation / Independence when it comes to Scotland, Wales or (the most unlikely event of) England?

Am I wrong to theorise such a thing, or was the suspected disallowance merely a silly omission on your part?

I would suggest the example of NI is somewhat different to the rest of the nations which make up the United Kingdom- NI is a contested piece of land between two nations (UK and Eire) as opposed to England,Wales and Scotland who have sections of their populace who seek indepence from the UK- NI does not, and never has, sought indepence from the UK (indeed it could be argued is majoratively the most loyal part of the UK).

The decision therefore for NI is vastly different from that of those sections of Scotland and Wales which seek complete devolution from the UK- it may be in part geographical in nature and that may be by design (albeit several hundred years ago) rather than default.

Hence the principle of consent is different- NI has two options- join Eire or remain part of the UK. To offer the same principle of consent Scotland would have either join Norway or remain part of the UK.

IMO

Now all of you say it again in English please !! :lol: :lol: (my thick but simple english) :D

@*Dawny* wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

@woohoo wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

I’m surprised as the Welsh aren’t internationally famous for their sense of humour – mind you, nor are the Germans.

That’s right, pick on the welsh, yes, we’re only famous for our C ockles, Laverbread, and funny Language! (There could be a Court Case here).. :lol: How Dare you Stereotype the welsh, and say we’re not known for our sense of humour. We sent Tom Jones out into the world, surely that must count.. :lol:

I’m amazed that you didn’t include sheep in the above list of Welsh contributions to fame. The Welsh are very well known for their sheep – we like to eat them and the Welsh use them for an alltogether different purpose …… allegedly.

Yes I guess they must have a sense of humour.

Ah now see as for the sheep!!!

Our Welsh men put the flavour in for you lot to eat em! :wink:

Well I’m delighted that, after all these years, you’ve confirmed my long held prejudice about Welshmen and their unsavoury practices with sheep….. allegedly!

In fact I heard that the latest fashion amongst Welshmen is to wear kilts – apparently the sheep run when they hear the sound of a zip. :lol:

@woohoo wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

@*Dawny* wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

@woohoo wrote:

@forumhostpb wrote:

I’m surprised as the Welsh aren’t internationally famous for their sense of humour – mind you, nor are the Germans.

That’s right, pick on the welsh, yes, we’re only famous for our C ockles, Laverbread, and funny Language! (There could be a Court Case here).. :lol: How Dare you Stereotype the welsh, and say we’re not known for our sense of humour. We sent Tom Jones out into the world, surely that must count.. :lol:

I’m amazed that you didn’t include sheep in the above list of Welsh contributions to fame. The Welsh are very well known for their sheep – we like to eat them and the Welsh use them for an alltogether different purpose …… allegedly.

Yes I guess they must have a sense of humour.

Ah now see as for the sheep!!!

Our Welsh men put the flavour in for you lot to eat em! :wink:

In fact I heard that the latest fashion amongst Welshmen is to wear kilts – apparently the sheep run when they hear the sound of a zip. :lol:

That made me laugh!

Believe it or not, i have seen more sheep in the English fields than what i have in the welsh fields, not that i go around purposely looking.
I find that when on a train, England seem to be over run with the lil blighters, and once, the weirdest thing i ever did see, was a Caravan in the middle of a field with a load of sheep surrounding it. Now, i don’t know what was happening there, but if i had a suspicious mind…..

you’d suspect it was a welshman on holiday ????

It’s only libel if the statement made is untrue …………… !!!!!

@slayer wrote:

I would suggest the example of NI is somewhat different to the rest of the nations which make up the United Kingdom- NI is a contested piece of land between two nations (UK and Eire) as opposed to England,Wales and Scotland who have sections of their populace who seek indepence from the UK- NI does not, and never has, sought indepence from the UK (indeed it could be argued is majoratively the most loyal part of the UK).

The decision therefore for NI is vastly different from that of those sections of Scotland and Wales which seek complete devolution from the UK- it may be in part geographical in nature and that may be by design (albeit several hundred years ago) rather than default.

Hence the principle of consent is different- NI has two options- join Eire or remain part of the UK. To offer the same principle of consent Scotland would have either join Norway or remain part of the UK.

IMO

Firstly, it goes without saying that any regional section / part / cultural mass / nation (or whatever you wish to call it) that is a component part of a greater, larger body or nation (in this case Britain) is certainly bound to differ in many ways from it’s counterparts. This should be quite obvious and require no further re-iteration.

You see, such was the problem that I indentified with my initial post. A Principle of Consent is not a thing To Offer. It is not a privilege. It is not some creaky, outworn notion of obligation handed down from some perceived higher collective. Nor is it to be “offered” to areas of singular historical and socio-political peculiarity such as Northern Ireland alone.
No, it is the indelible Right of every nation.. or indeed any part of a nation that aspires to self determination born from substantial representative political will and realised through the subsequent democratic processes of any existing national body.