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4 March, 2009 at 6:21 pm #391572
What does it matter ffs, bloody stupid pettiness over long ago slights that are kept simmering over hundreds of yrs in some cases
4 March, 2009 at 8:02 pm #391573@Sgt Pepper wrote:
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
British, always British. The island we live on is called Great Britain and it is one nation.
Great Britain should never be split up. The UK (which includes northern Ireland as well as Great Britain) is a different matter – N.Ireland should remain in the UK while the majority of its population wish to stay. If the majority wish to join with Eire, that wish should be granted.:-k
Sorry… seems I’m a tad confused here :roll:
Correct me if I’m wrong (and please note that I may well be), but is it your stance that any current or prospective devolved rights, or even Sovereign Independence issues regarding Scotland, England and Wales differ from Northern Ireland due to the first three being part of the Island of Great Britain?
If so, I find that most peculiar I must say :roll:Surely the crucial principle of consent applied to Northern Ireland must apply to the other three “parts” of the United Kingdom?
Or do you view Northern Ireland as a somewhat lesser component of the mix?
You state that it is the Island of Great Britain that implies Britishness.. and the UK “is a different matter”, which perhaps, is true from a certain geographical and semantic position – ie The Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland gig..BUT.. in the context of what you (quite rightly) state regarding the consent issue of Northern Ireland, your “Great Britain should never be split up.” pronouncement troubles me. For it would seem you draw the line at consent regarding separation / Independence when it comes to Scotland, Wales or (the most unlikely event of) England?
Am I wrong to theorise such a thing, or was the suspected disallowance merely a silly omission on your part?
Omfg! doesnt she ramble on?? oh and me and welshy want to thank you for the red lipstick…..
4 March, 2009 at 11:06 pm #391574@pete wrote:
What does it matter ffs, bloody stupid pettiness over long ago slights that are kept simmering over hundreds of yrs in some cases
I’m afraid I don’t understand that statement at all :roll: .. Well, not in the context of this particular discussion anyway.
4 March, 2009 at 11:07 pm #391575@metallica wrote:
@Sgt Pepper wrote:
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
British, always British. The island we live on is called Great Britain and it is one nation.
Great Britain should never be split up. The UK (which includes northern Ireland as well as Great Britain) is a different matter – N.Ireland should remain in the UK while the majority of its population wish to stay. If the majority wish to join with Eire, that wish should be granted.:-k
Sorry… seems I’m a tad confused here :roll:
Correct me if I’m wrong (and please note that I may well be), but is it your stance that any current or prospective devolved rights, or even Sovereign Independence issues regarding Scotland, England and Wales differ from Northern Ireland due to the first three being part of the Island of Great Britain?
If so, I find that most peculiar I must say :roll:Surely the crucial principle of consent applied to Northern Ireland must apply to the other three “parts” of the United Kingdom?
Or do you view Northern Ireland as a somewhat lesser component of the mix?
You state that it is the Island of Great Britain that implies Britishness.. and the UK “is a different matter”, which perhaps, is true from a certain geographical and semantic position – ie The Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland gig..BUT.. in the context of what you (quite rightly) state regarding the consent issue of Northern Ireland, your “Great Britain should never be split up.” pronouncement troubles me. For it would seem you draw the line at consent regarding separation / Independence when it comes to Scotland, Wales or (the most unlikely event of) England?
Am I wrong to theorise such a thing, or was the suspected disallowance merely a silly omission on your part?
Omfg! doesnt she ramble on?? oh and me and welshy want to thank you for the red lipstick…..
Oh shush you!!
Oh and I want it back btw :lol:5 March, 2009 at 11:49 am #391576@*Dawny* wrote:
I am Welsh! Have never or will ever class myself as British.
What is there to be proud of being British? :?
IF i’m in a foreign country, then i class myself as British, and then tell them, i’m from Wales. When in Wales, i class myself as German. Descendant of Hitler.. Causes a few rows, but hey, i’m always up for a laugh! :?
5 March, 2009 at 2:44 pm #391577I’m surprised as the Welsh aren’t internationally famous for their sense of humour – mind you, nor are the Germans.
5 March, 2009 at 5:45 pm #391578@forumhostpb wrote:
I’m surprised as the Welsh aren’t internationally famous for their sense of humour – mind you, nor are the Germans.
That’s right, pick on the welsh, yes, we’re only famous for our C ockles, Laverbread, and funny Language! (There could be a Court Case here).. :lol: How Dare you Stereotype the welsh, and say we’re not known for our sense of humour. We sent Tom Jones out into the world, surely that must count.. :lol:
5 March, 2009 at 5:45 pm #391579@woohoo wrote:
@*Dawny* wrote:
I am Welsh! Have never or will ever class myself as British.
What is there to be proud of being British? :?
IF i’m in a foreign country, then i class myself as British, and then tell them, i’m from Wales. When in Wales, i class myself as German. Descendant of Hitler.. Causes a few rows, but hey, i’m always up for a laugh! :?
Historically incorrect, Hitler was in fact Irish and was called Spud Murphy but later changed his name to Dick Tater
5 March, 2009 at 5:48 pm #391580@Sgt Pepper wrote:
@bassingbourne55 wrote:
British, always British. The island we live on is called Great Britain and it is one nation.
Great Britain should never be split up. The UK (which includes northern Ireland as well as Great Britain) is a different matter – N.Ireland should remain in the UK while the majority of its population wish to stay. If the majority wish to join with Eire, that wish should be granted.:-k
Sorry… seems I’m a tad confused here :roll:
Correct me if I’m wrong (and please note that I may well be), but is it your stance that any current or prospective devolved rights, or even Sovereign Independence issues regarding Scotland, England and Wales differ from Northern Ireland due to the first three being part of the Island of Great Britain?
If so, I find that most peculiar I must say :roll:Surely the crucial principle of consent applied to Northern Ireland must apply to the other three “parts” of the United Kingdom?
Or do you view Northern Ireland as a somewhat lesser component of the mix?
You state that it is the Island of Great Britain that implies Britishness.. and the UK “is a different matter”, which perhaps, is true from a certain geographical and semantic position – ie The Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland gig..BUT.. in the context of what you (quite rightly) state regarding the consent issue of Northern Ireland, your “Great Britain should never be split up.” pronouncement troubles me. For it would seem you draw the line at consent regarding separation / Independence when it comes to Scotland, Wales or (the most unlikely event of) England?
Am I wrong to theorise such a thing, or was the suspected disallowance merely a silly omission on your part?
I would suggest the example of NI is somewhat different to the rest of the nations which make up the United Kingdom- NI is a contested piece of land between two nations (UK and Eire) as opposed to England,Wales and Scotland who have sections of their populace who seek indepence from the UK- NI does not, and never has, sought indepence from the UK (indeed it could be argued is majoratively the most loyal part of the UK).
The decision therefore for NI is vastly different from that of those sections of Scotland and Wales which seek complete devolution from the UK- it may be in part geographical in nature and that may be by design (albeit several hundred years ago) rather than default.
Hence the principle of consent is different- NI has two options- join Eire or remain part of the UK. To offer the same principle of consent Scotland would have either join Norway or remain part of the UK.
IMO
5 March, 2009 at 6:07 pm #391581@pete wrote:
@woohoo wrote:
@*Dawny* wrote:
I am Welsh! Have never or will ever class myself as British.
What is there to be proud of being British? :?
IF i’m in a foreign country, then i class myself as British, and then tell them, i’m from Wales. When in Wales, i class myself as German. Descendant of Hitler.. Causes a few rows, but hey, i’m always up for a laugh! :?
Historically incorrect, Hitler was in fact Irish and was called Spud Murphy but later changed his name to Richard Tater
I don’t mind a joke, but i’ll not pass myself off as Irish.. :lol:
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