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26 April, 2012 at 12:45 pm #493902
Just seen the Queen in Wales – wonder what she is?!!!
1 May, 2012 at 10:28 am #493903The only difference between BriTish and irish is BT :wink:
1 May, 2012 at 1:12 pm #493904@irish_lucy wrote:
The only difference between BriTish and irish is BT :wink:
:lol:
I have been pondering this for a wee while (yeah, I know, dangerous!!) – I think I class myself as British! :D
1 May, 2012 at 11:44 pm #493905I spent the first 11 years or so of my life as “the Englishman”: the first person in my family born in England. People of all types would identify me with the country of my birth – “But I was born here!” seemed to stop people who said “why don’t you go back to your own country?” in their tracks. I did experience racism, but all English people didn’t necessarily like each other, so I dealt with it with all the skills a child of my age could muster.
As I got older, I was told more often that I couldn’t be English, ‘just’ British. It’s only in the past decade or so that I have reverted to calling myself English, partly from defiance and partly because, despite my great affection for the other UK countries, I am not Scottish, Welsh or Irish, so there’s only one bit of British left for me to be. More than that, I am a Londoner, defined by the streets in which I was raised.
An anecdote – on a holiday in France in my teens, an old French woman was very hostile towards me until she found out that I was not from North Africa (her late husband had fought there), but “Anglais”. I couldn’t help liking her.
I think that modern political and geographical boundaries deserve only the scant respect of convenience that they deserve, as legacies of genocide and exploitation. However I also feel there are characteristics that we inherit collectively. Whether we adopt them or reject them is our right.
For me, ‘English’ is confident enough to allow a gentle strength and to own my choices. ‘British’ is entitled to a place amongst other nations and a responsibility to live with the legacy of the past, bad and good. I own them both without rejecting anything of my parents’ heritage.
1 May, 2012 at 11:51 pm #493906@wordsworth60 wrote:
I spent the first 11 years or so of my life as “the Englishman”: the first person in my family born in England. People of all types would identify me with the country of my birth – “But I was born here!” seemed to stop people who said “why don’t you go back to your own country?” in their tracks. I did experience racism, but all English people didn’t necessarily like each other, so I dealt with it with all the skills a child of my age could muster.
As I got older, I was told more often that I couldn’t be English, ‘just’ British. It’s only in the past decade or so that I have reverted to calling myself English, partly from defiance and partly because, despite my great affection for the other UK countries, I am not Scottish, Welsh or Irish, so there’s only one bit of British left for me to be. More than that, I am a Londoner, defined by the streets in which I was raised.
An anecdote – on a holiday in France in my teens, an old French woman was very hostile towards me until she found out that I was not from North Africa (her late husband had fought there), but “Anglais”. I couldn’t help liking her.
I think that modern political and geographical boundaries deserve only the scant respect of convenience that they deserve, as legacies of genocide and exploitation. However I also feel there are characteristics that we inherit collectively. Whether we adopt them or reject them is our right.
For me, ‘English’ is confident enough to allow a gentle strength and to own my choices. ‘British’ is entitled to a place amongst other nations and a responsibility to live with the legacy of the past, bad and good. I own them both without rejecting anything of my parents’ heritage.
Would it be fair to describe you as the JC equivalent of Norris from Coronation Street?
I haven’t a clue what your point is.1 May, 2012 at 11:56 pm #493907@terry wrote:
Would it be fair to describe you as the JC equivalent of Norris from Coronation Street? I haven’t a clue what your point is.
Just sharing a perspective on the subject of the thread Terry.
Is Norris from Coronation Street a national, ethnic or racial identity?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
2 May, 2012 at 12:02 am #493908@wordsworth60 wrote:
Is Norris from Coronation Street a national, ethnic or racial identity?
He is a character on a soap opera. He’s Englisn.
2 May, 2012 at 12:04 am #493909@terry wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
I spent the first 11 years or so of my life as “the Englishman”: the first person in my family born in England. People of all types would identify me with the country of my birth – “But I was born here!” seemed to stop people who said “why don’t you go back to your own country?” in their tracks. I did experience racism, but all English people didn’t necessarily like each other, so I dealt with it with all the skills a child of my age could muster.
As I got older, I was told more often that I couldn’t be English, ‘just’ British. It’s only in the past decade or so that I have reverted to calling myself English, partly from defiance and partly because, despite my great affection for the other UK countries, I am not Scottish, Welsh or Irish, so there’s only one bit of British left for me to be. More than that, I am a Londoner, defined by the streets in which I was raised.
An anecdote – on a holiday in France in my teens, an old French woman was very hostile towards me until she found out that I was not from North Africa (her late husband had fought there), but “Anglais”. I couldn’t help liking her.
I think that modern political and geographical boundaries deserve only the scant respect of convenience that they deserve, as legacies of genocide and exploitation. However I also feel there are characteristics that we inherit collectively. Whether we adopt them or reject them is our right.
For me, ‘English’ is confident enough to allow a gentle strength and to own my choices. ‘British’ is entitled to a place amongst other nations and a responsibility to live with the legacy of the past, bad and good. I own them both without rejecting anything of my parents’ heritage.
Would it be fair to describe you as the JC equivalent of Norris from Coronation Street?
I haven’t a clue what your point is.[/quI think the “secret” is listening Terry. an honestly written passage, with a twist and a Brillaintly written Sense of Humour? well done wordy :)
2 May, 2012 at 12:04 am #493910@terry wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
Is Norris from Coronation Street a national, ethnic or racial identity?
He is a character on a soap opera.. . . .
Ain’t we all . . . . . .?
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2 May, 2012 at 12:08 am #493911@wordsworth60 wrote:
@terry wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
Is Norris from Coronation Street a national, ethnic or racial identity?
He is a character on a soap opera.. . . .
Ain’t we all . . . . . .?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
indeed :)
/Millie Tant. Dundee . x
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