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@chickenman wrote:
I admire anyone who donates, and I think it’s great that people do but I’m sick n tired of this government telling us what to do all the time. We have got brains, well most of us have so we can make our own mind up. I would hate to think that some pedo or rapist would benefit from me giving a organ. I think more people would carry a card if they could have more say who get’s yet bits n pieces.
Thats never going to happen tho CM
No one is ‘telling’ anyone to do it. There is tho, a grave shortage of donors and people dying for the lack of them. The government is just trying to find a way to create more. I don’t see anyone demanding that people have! to comply
Unfortunately it doesnt work like that ……. unless it is a live donation whereupon you may donate to a member of your family if you are a match …..
There are very stringent tests carried out on both harvested organs and the recipients before the operation can go ahead ….. its not like shopping ….. its not like saying that one looks ok i will have that one. The organs go to whoever they suit the best……. read a little bit of research on it …. a little knowledge can go a long way
@cas wrote:
I’m with you on that one Chess, I don’t think anyone should be made to choose, or be pressurised, it’s a personal choice. I do though, think that having made that personal choice, others shouldn’t be allowed to overturn it.
Understand too Sharon, who would want to have to make that decision, god forbid. I do know tho, and knowing my son as I do, I wouldn’t, I couldn’t. We discussed it, he said if anything happened to him he would want his wishes to donate his organs to go ahead.
Maybe some kind of clause in the whole process might be better. Talking to relatives about this after the person has died, asking for permission etc., Perhaps a clause by the donor themselves, that no one can turn around their decision or change it. Takes a lot of pressure away from the doctors, and heartbreaking decisions from the relatives.
the clause idea is a brilliant idea. i worked in the n.h.s for many years and often had to see people die needlessly. especially when we saw organ donations being denied by family members who disagreed with their loved ones choice. i can understand why this happens as it isnt something families want to deal with when they have just lost aloved one. only last year i lost a dear family friend aged 20 who suffered from cystic fibrosis, she was a beautiful vibrant loving girl, and died because she needed a heart lung transplant.
i would like to see a system where people entering hospital for any reason are given a choice to join the national database of organ donors. and indeed educating children of the life giving benefits if they join the register, this would help greatly. people realy dont mind being asked, and children are amazingly not fazed by the idea if it is explained in a way that shows donation in a giving way. as opposed to the system now, where doctors basically have to ask if they can remove any useable organs immediateley after death. its hardly suprising there is a shortage is it ?
myself and my family are all donors and i would urge anyone who isnt to become one as soon as possible. if ust one life can be saved or even prolonged after my death , then im happy with thatthought.
im not sure if i agree with the opt out idea as we can never be certain that people in third world countries [for instance] will not donate organs for cash, fine if its your own, but not so fine if your an unwilling donor.im not quite sure what you mean there waspish…..*we can never be certain that people in third world countries [for instance] will not donate organs for cash, fine if its your own, but not so fine if your an unwilling donor.* Surely this would be have to be a live donation
im just going along the lines of the organ being *a match* for the recipient. In UK and NI the match has to be much higher to be transplanted than say in The Irish Republic ….. for what reason i dont know. To lower these *matches* might make for more transplants …. tho i am sure you are under no delusions to the ammount of imunnodepressant medication that the recipient will be on for life. But i firmly believe that to give the patient a few good years rather than leaving them on the machine until a better match comes along is more benefical whilst they are still young enough to enjoy it .
Transplants are not cures ………. they are merely treatments (albeit very effective ones)
I was a blood donor for about 20 years; I was on the organ donor list and stuff like the bone marrow trust.
But after I work in a hospital for about 6 months on a contract, and it did change my mind about the whole subject.
Donor don’t matter, they are treated like sh1t and basically push and shoved around. You can go in a hospital with nothing wrong with you and come out with MRSA infection.
I don’t see any real point in giving blood any more, there are other sources for blood, it can be produced by artificial means, that has fewer risks for people who need the blood, but the cost is too high for the NHS.
So all you are doing is saving the NHS a bit of cash and putting others at risk.
Gordon Browns idea means that donors will now be forced to put up with worst treatment from the health professionals.
We all understand the problems and the need, but until there a better package for those who do give organs, I see little or no point in doing it.
I just think if your going to give someone the chance of life it would be nice to get something in return from the system. We know the recipient will be grateful and so would they family but it would be nice if the health or government would give you something in a way of thanks, even if it was to pay for your funeral. I also think people would be more willing if they had more say, I don’t think it would be to much to ask to say your organs will not be used on anyone with a criminal record.
Your asking a lot, they don’t give you a cup of tea now when you give blood !!!!!!!
Nope face it; if you’re a donor you’re simply a “cash cow” for the NHS, saving them money.
Your there to be chop up and gutted for the benefit of others.
After all, all those people on the waiting list do cost money.
@chess wrote:
im not quite sure what you mean there waspish…..*we can never be certain that people in third world countries [for instance] will not donate organs for cash, fine if its your own, but not so fine if your an unwilling donor.* Surely this would be have to be a live donation
im just going along the lines of the organ being *a match* for the recipient. In UK and NI the match has to be much higher to be transplanted than say in The Irish Republic ….. for what reason i dont know. To lower these *matches* might make for more transplants …. tho i am sure you are under no delusions to the ammount of imunnodepressant medication that the recipient will be on for life. But i firmly believe that to give the patient a few good years rather than leaving them on the machine until a better match comes along is more benefical whilst they are still young enough to enjoy it .
Transplants are not cures ………. they are merely treatments (albeit very effective ones)
apologies i wasnt very clear there was i. what i meant was organ donation should be a choice made by the person while still living. not to give while still living,but to show their intent to do so.
there are many urban legends of people waking up in hospital with a kidney missing or eyes taken, this is of course just that urban legends. but it doesnt mean its impossible. money talks, even in life terms. donating an organ whilst still living is the ultimate in generosity as far a im concerned. people who do this willingly are a testement to humanity at its most caring.
my fear is that if we introduce an opt out policy, there may be instances where say, an elderly patient with no living relatives is allowed to die,and their organs harvested just because there is a millionaires son or daughter on a list, and some people are corrupt. wether we like it or not.
where do we draw the line. ? will some doctors take it upon themselves to play god. if a person with low standing in society, such as a homeless person or a person with no family becomes very ill, there will be instances where people will be allowed to die, so their organs can be harvested. its a sickening thought, but if harold shipman had been a renal specialist, or a heart,lung specialist.he could still be working to this day. and who would know ? when the patient is dead its too late to say sorry and give the organs back. voluntary is the only way. we need a better system that the present one granted, but we have to be careful how its done.i was at a funeral yesterday
the person that died gave 2 kidneys and a liver
a young girl got a kidney
a 53 year old got the other
and a terminally ill woman got the liver
3 people live on through her@dagger wrote:
i was at a funeral yesterday
the person that died gave 2 kidneys and a liver
a young girl got a kidney
a 53 year old got the other
and a terminally ill woman got the liver
3 people live on through herI thought those details remained confidential?
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