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So what constitutes ‘natural’ and ‘non-chemical’ for you, jen_jen? Bodyshop products, for example are supposed to be ‘natural’ but have you read the ingredients on the side of their shampoo for example? Chemical after chemical. Water is a naturally occuring chemical, so is lanolin or sunflower oil or Evening Primrose oil and morphine and cocaine and lead oxide….
I don’t wear make up or use products on my skin :?
Of course everything can be broken down to its chemical components, even the air that we breath, but I’m sure you realise that’s not what I mean by chemical. My differentiation is along the lines of naturally occuring vs. man-made. That said, not all man-made chemicals are toxic, likewise not all naturally occuring chemicals are good for you, so common sense and balance need to be applied.
As for Body Shop products, I wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole, likewise many of the so-called natural products that you can buy off the shelf. Labelling in skincare and cosmetics is misleading to say the least – if my memory serves me right for a food to be described as organic, it must consist of 99% organic ingredients; if a cosmetic product is desciribed as organic is only has to contain 10% organic ingredients. I can’t lay my hands on the minimum needed for a cosmetic product to be described as “natural” right now but it is equally low.
So how can I be sure that my shampoo, conditioner, shower gel, moisturiser etc are as natural as possible? Simple, I make them myself with fully traceable ingredients. As for my makeup, I have fully researched the products and ingredients and have found the purest I can. My one compromise is mascara, but with blonde eyelashes that disappear without it, I can live with that! :lol:
We all make our choices of how we wish to live our life and the products we want to use, I’ve made mine, you’ve made yours. Live and let live eh? :wink: :lol:
Have you ever gotten a friend to do a true blind test upon you jen_jen? By that I mean get one ‘natural’ product and another standard cosmetic most people use and then apply them to you so you don’t know which is which and see what happens?
One of my friend’s husband has a ‘mysterious illness’ that nobody can put a finger and one that has had calamitous effects upon his family. He was convinced certain foods were causing it (also gut parasites, environmental toxins and now M.E.) so we suggest a blind test which he was dead against and become very defensive about-“You lot don’t believe me, but I am ill” etc. Anyway we persuaded him to allow us to do a double blind test upon him (where the even person administering the food types doesn’t know which is which) and sure enough his symptoms did match any particular food type and and the things he said would make him really ill didn’t and vice versa. But of course he made the result unfalsifiable by claiming cross contamination (which we have been very careful to avoid) or a new ‘allergy’ had developed etc etc. Nothing we said would convince him otherwise even in the face of true evidence that foods weren’t his problem.
Anyway, he retired from his work aged 38, his family live in a financially precarious situation, he contributes nothing to society, he can’t work because of his ‘fatigue’ but has no problem joining in when we suggest an indoor skiing day (until its his time to look after the kids then his fatigue sets in!) or when he has to attend one of his ‘breathing workshops’ somewhere in the UK! Make of it what you will but I’d suggest he has a psychological problem rather than a physical one. Its still an illness but he’s addressing it inappropriately.
@will wrote:
u must use at least one susie. i bet everybody uses shampoo and deodrent
I buy organic natural shampoo and conditioner same with shower gel and deodarant . . deodarants can actually be attributed to cancer :?
Ok . . holds hand up . . I do wear perfume
@shihogiri wrote:
Have you ever gotten a friend to do a true blind test upon you jen_jen? By that I mean get one ‘natural’ product and another standard cosmetic most people use and then apply them to you so you don’t know which is which and see what happens?
Interesting to hear about your friend’s husband, and I would agree with you that he does not appear to addressing the issue appropriately.
My story is quite different and much more complex, and tbh I’m not comfortable with giving any more info than I’ve already given. However, I’m sure you’ll appreciate that the kind of overload of toxins in the body that I’m talking about doesn’t occur overnight, neither does it clear up quickly when the appropriate changes are made. No-one was more sceptical than me at the outset, but conventional medicine couldn’t do anything for me beyond symptom management so I thought I’d give it a try, with very low expectations. It took a few months before I noticed any difference, and now I am improving almost day by day, I am even starting to think it will be possible to go on walking holidays again as I did before this illness began. I still have limitations, but if you saw me now you wouldn’t know there was anything wrong – a far cry from a few years ago.
It’s taken me 4 years to get to the level of health I now enjoy. To conduct a blind test such as you suggest and see what the effects are would, I assume, need to take place over an equivilent length of time. Why would I do that?
I am not following any quack complementary therapy here, I am simply following the guidance of a clinical nutritionist who works privately and within the NHS. There are no crystals, ear candles, eye of toad and tail of newt involved, just going back to basics and being as natural as possible. I’m not harming anyone, and it seems to be doing both myself and my partner the world of good. What is wrong with that?
As I said at the end of my last post, we all make our choices of how we wish to live our life and the products we want to use, I’ve made mine, you’ve made yours. Live and let live eh?
Iv’e found this whole thing really interesting, and believe me for JC that does make a change : ),,,,,,,,ok so i’m a cynic :wink:
Iv’e used the same products on my skin for years, just baby lotion, thats it!,,,as for make up, I use very little make up anyway. I do try to buy the products that say they’re not tested on animals, but at the end of the day, who really knows.
As for the toxins,,,,,,,,in recent months my GP has tried a whole host of prescription drugs to help the problem I have. The problem itself is Cervical Spondylitis, which can cause really quite severe pain. I have it seems, chronic degeneration of vertebrae 3 4 and 5 which affects my neck and shoulders, often even the movement of my head to look to one side or the other can cause very painful spasms. We started with Co-codamol, then Diclofenac, Ibuprofen, Tramacet, and Tramadol. The only thing any of these products did was to cause problems with my stomach. I reached a point where I was unable to eat anything and keep it down. I think I was producing enough acid for england!! I stopped
taking any prescription drugs, except I now take Ranitidine, which strictly speaking isn’t prescribed drugs, you can buy it over the counter. It has helped in calming down my stomach and i’m now able to eat without throwing up shortly afterwards. I’m managing the pain now with just a tens machine. I have to see a pain management consultant in january, which i’m frankly not really looking forward to. I’m concerned that there ae going to be arguments because it’ll be no doubt, a case of oh well we’ll try this, and it’ll be more medication. After what the last lot of medication did to my system, iv’e no wish to go there again!!In 2002 I underwent 6 months of chemotherapy. Strong, powerful, highly toxic drugs, injected straight into a vein!! Always struck me as really odd (ok I am blond : ) ) that had these drugs been injested as you would a tablet, they would have killed me stone dead!!! The point is though, that these highly toxic drugs, while they made me quite sick for a couple of days, they didn’t do half as much damage to my system, as the so called ‘safe’ prescription drugs.
I’m fine i dont wash
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