After Ukraine, check out where you’re going

Trapper,

read your newspapers properly, and think in more humane terms when you see kids being killed and maimed by the hundred.

Hamas are not firing from schools and hospitals (though some may be cynical enough to do so). When Israeli artillery hit an intensive care unit, they said that they were firing at some Hamas people who were in the immediate vicinity of the hospital, whatever that means.

Hamas use a series of tunnels to fire their (harmless) rockets. Israel is attacking the tunnels, which is why they’re suffereing (still light) casulaties as one of the most sophisticated armies in the world blow the place and its people to pieces.

Look at Gaza, it has a weird history as a bin for Palestinians who fled massacre when Jewish settlers threw them off the land and occupied it back in the 1940s.

Look at Gaza, it is massively over-crowded with no space for anybody to move as a result. Even the Israeli military commanders have said that these people have suffered badly.

Peace activists in Israel who point this out are now being roughed up and dispersed by right-wing toughs. In one surreal scene in Tel Aviv, where hundreds of activists were being attacked, a missile suddenly appeared heading for them , Iron Dome (the protective shield around much of the country) blew the missile up.

The missiles are killing nobody. The mass killing of ordinary men, women and kids is not the response.

There are other ways of doing this – only a political solution can do it, not the kill strategy endorse by you, Trapper.

Good re not endorsing massacre, and better that a clearer indication of what you want is emerging.

A solution is certainly really hard because of the structural conditions, but unless it’s found the whole region will continue to be in turmoil, even once the sunni-shi’ite civil war can be ended (and we are directly involved in that in a scary way, s British fighters and suicide bombers return home).

Israel’s political mood has to change. They are the stronger power, and they created the Gaza problem in the first place at the very outset.

My point in this thread is to point to Western hypocrisy re the Ukraine, which is developing in a dangerous direction.