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Picking up on your new sidestep/smokescreen for a moment tho
“My concern was people using unrestricted abortions as a method of birth control, not one abortion but many per person and many people using it, therefore, causing the health system additional services that it does not need”
It doesnt matter WHO you are talking about
Even looking at ONE abortion not happening the “additional services” far outweighs any used to do the abortion, when ten dont happen then ten times more “additional amounts of services” are needlessly wasted
As for anything you MIGHT have meant or might now claim was what you actually meant its eroneous really, not being a mind reader the ONLY thing I can respond to is what you DID write innit? And you wrote “burden”, a word I do already know the meaning of believe it or not. So unless you can wheel out a different word you ACTUALLY meant to use my response still stands
As for “many” using abortion many times, thats not the case in any of the government statistics I’ve seen at any point ever, its a VERY tiny percentage that have more than two pregnancies aborted out of hundreds of thousands of people having them, hardly “many” in a majorative sense
And as the government is massively cutting the budget for family planning clinics the country over the wider use of abortions is pretty much guaranteed until women start taking more responsibility for what does or doesnt get into their slime chutes
Perhaps as a side issue the steralisation of all mental cases who live in the community should also be addressed, as the human rights act allows people without the mental acuity of a teenager to be “entitled” to have sex as an adult which is an interesting side issue to the topic of abortion, as in a lot of cases they are deemed “capable of having consented sex” but arent considered capable of raising a child without a very expensive care package but are left to be responsible for their own birth control
As I have said many times, to massively cut the amount of abortions you need compulsory steralisation of all women so that all children then conceived are by choice rather than by accident
Some facts on the matter to offset the media driven hysteria lol
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http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Publicationsandstatistics/Publications/PublicationsStatistics/DH_075697Key facts
In 2006, for women resident in England and Wales:the total number of abortions was 193,700, compared with 186,400 in 2005, a rise of 3.9%
the age-standardised abortion rate was 18.3 per 1,000 resident women aged 15-44, compared with 17.8 in 2005
the abortion rate was highest at 35 per 1,000, for women age 19.
the under-16 abortion rate was 3.9 and the under-18 rate was 18.2 per 1,000 women, both higher than in 2005
87% of abortions were funded by the NHS; of these, just over half (55%) took place in the independent sector under NHS contract
89% of abortions were carried out at under 13 weeks gestation; 68% were at under 10 weeks
medical abortions accounted for 30% of the total compared with 24% in 2005
2,000 abortions (1%) were under ground E, risk that the child would be born handicapped
Non-residents:in 2006 there were 7,400 abortions for non-residents carried out in hospitals and clinics in England and Wales (7,900 in 2005)
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Wordlwide
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Number of abortions per year: Approximately 46 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 126,000Where abortions occur:
78% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 22% occur in developed countries.Legality of abortion:
About 26 million women obtain legal abortions each year, while an additional 20 million abortions are obtained in countries where it is restricted or prohibited by law.Abortion averages:
Worldwide, the lifetime average is about 1 abortion per woman.© Copyright 1999-2000, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (http://www.agi-usa.org)
UNITED STATES
Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700Who’s having abortions (age)?
52% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: Women aged 20-24 obtain 32% of all abortions; Teenagers obtain 20% and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.Who’s having abortions (race)?
While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.Who’s having abortions (marital status)?
64.4% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; Married women account for 18.4% of all abortions and divorced women obtain 9.4%.Who’s having abortions (religion)?
Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as “Born-again/Evangelical”.Who’s having abortions (income)?
Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 28.7% of all abortions; Women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 19.5%; Women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38.0%; Women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 13.8%.Why women have abortions
1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).At what gestational ages are abortions performed:
52% of all abortions occur before the 9th week of pregnancy, 25% happen between the 9th & 10th week, 12% happen between the 11th and 12th week, 6% happen between the 13th & 15th week, 4% happen between the 16th & 20th week, and 1% of all abortions (16,450/yr.) happen after the 20th week of pregnancy.Likelihood of abortion:
An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.Abortion coverage:
48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women.On the topic of multiple abortions per person btw, black women top the charts on that one with asian women being the lowest amount
But they are only ever recorded as having had a “previous” abortion which isnt cross referenced to their age, reasons, amount of prior abortions or timescales between them
That is then used to “conclude” things that cant possibly be concluded by anyone sane or without their own agenda and DOESNT show women are using abortion en massé as a form of birth control nor that they arent as the figures and details asked for or shown are way to vague for any worthwhile conclusion to be drawn, but that minor fact doesnt stop the people willing to twist any fact in a way they think makes their point seem more believable. It ONLY shows how many people have had a previous abortion which could have been only the one, could have been 30 years earlier, could have been for medical reasons or because it was the product of a rape or child abuse incident and quite equally could have been due to failed birthcontrol they WERE using
So the percentage using it in lieu of birth control CANT be known even tho some would claim it is known
What point? You are talking about a child growing up versus an abortion. I WASN”T!
But to clarify further:
If someone had 20 abortions and gave birth to 3 children they would be using unrestricted abortions as birth control – which would be an additional cost to the health system – but if they were restricted they would not have had them, because they couldn’t be used as birth control.
Drain…to become empty
Burden…to load or overload
Don’t believe everything you think!
LOL, if you stopped them having abortions they would have 23 kids duh, 23 massive burdens on the health service as opposed to 3 massive drains and 20 quite minor blips
And 23 kids would
And back to the semantics, the burden on the NHS makes their limited resources become empty, hence the reason many NHS trusts are bankrupt or have to restrict services far before the end of a financial year
A burden drains resources, they are one and the same and without a burden there would be no drain and they would have an excess of funds
Which SHOULDNT have really needed to have been linked together really seeing as its so blatantly obvious even a liberal democrate could make the connection
Go away..it’s time for you to go to work now byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D
Awww bless, you could have simply admitted your mistake instead of even more childish sidestepping hehe
That sort of response might go down well with eight year olds when discussing the existence of santa or the tooth fairy,but it makes you look like an idiot using it on a sight for “alleged” grown ups on a discussion board petal
The old “damn, there isnt really a mature and valid response to that so lets be all condescending and hope they dont suss out why” approach is as transparent as glass
I didn’t make a mistake and you know it…and always remember Uber you have the right to remain silent!
Well if you didnt make a mistake rather than just claiming that why not actually show why you didnt?
You could start by showing how an NHS with limited funds wouldnt be “drained” of resources by “burdens” upon those resources as thats the only way you could show the two arent one and the same
Then you could go on to show how it would be less of a drain or burden to deny a simple abortion therefore having to deal with the full pregnancy and the life of the non aborted foetus thereafter
If you can show both of those things then yeah, I’d agree you didnt make a mistake, but simply claiming you didnt just dont cut it in the slightest
It’s clear that you didn’t read the initial post properly and so it goes on and on and on so that you can have the last word and think youre right…but youre not!
And now you are asking me to prove that you are right by justifying what you thought I said. Quite clever really!
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