ABORTION is a woman’s RIGHT

that doesnt make sense! :?

@ubermik wrote:

@~Pebbles~ wrote:

I agree that in certain cases abortion is acceptable eg, if the child is known to be seriously handicapped.

But, to allow abortion to take place at 24 weeks in my opinion is sick. The child is fully formed. Women often give birth prematurely at 24 weeks and the child survives. It shouldnt be allowed.

But this is where this topic becomes interesting and ties itself up in knots

On the one hand you have the illthoughtout stance that “its a womans body and its HER “right” and hers alone to decide what should happen to it” which is predictably wheeled out whenever a bloke, the would be father is wanted to be pushed out of the way and dismissed as irrelevant

But, for that ethos to be consistently applied then at 24 weeks and above its STILL the womans body and her “right” to decide whether or not something is allowed to gestate in it. But its also one of the areas where peoples views magically change once the topic is seemingly not connected to a bloke anymore and merely concerns the foetus and mother

To fully apply the “its a womans body and her decision alone” view then no matter what the reason, no matter how many times and no matter how late in the unwanted pregnancy she decides to abort it IS still her choice

But when men are against their “foetus” being aborted a common debacle to that is that he cant “force” a woman to bear and deliver a child SHE doesnt want, but that arguement quite conveniently gets hidden away and overlooked when the topic isnt to do with mens rights or lack thereof and is people trying to now show consideration for the foetus itself which is just as conveniently hidden away and overlooked when a man doesnt want his foetus aborted

Also when the total application of the “its her body and her choice” view is vocalised the REAL implications of it tend to get peoples backs up and cause tizzy fits en masse as it does mean that if a woman IS to have domain over her body, womb and contents AND if we are to abide by that then we also shouldnt then chastise, criticise or try to apply limitations to the exercising of that “right” otherwise it becomes a contradictive illogical one that lacks foundation or consistency which then usurps its validity when used as a counter to a fathers views and wishes if, quite conveniently the exact same requests, dissagreements and wants can be wheeled out for other moral reasons in a non gender biased part of the pregnancy

If the father of the foetus has no say in whether a baby is aborted for ANY reason and people are happy for that to be the way it is then someone even less important and integral has even less of a say in the matter and no moral highground to claim whatsoever as their right to hold a view is far far less than that of the father and his view is worthless and irrelevant meaning irrespective of the reason a woman wants to abort, whether its because of the sex, deformity, lack of interest or any other reason and irrespective of how far the pregnancy has progressed its still ONLY the womans decision and nobody elses

innit?

Theres nothing quite like consistency and integrity, and the modal views on this topic ARE nothing like consistency or integrity :lol:

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Still boring the life out of everyone with those long post’s i see, now i know why these boards are barely used like they once was.

@ubermik wrote:

Like they once was how long ago exactly? Coz they have crawled along with the pace of a decayed corpse since long before I started posting on them and (with the odd arguement I’ve totally NOT caused lol) have been the liveliest I’ve ever seen them sometimes perhaps having as many as 10 posts in a week :o :o :o :o :o :lol:

Anyhoo, if its SOOOOOOOOO boring and assuming youre not a massochist you know where the off switch is dont ya lol

Tut Tut Michael Michael, dont get your uberd!k in a twist.

@ubermik wrote:

I like twisting it tho :wink:

Well matty is single, ask him, im sure he will twist it for you. :twisted:

…..it’s that or Killer Queen in her leopard suit

I understand your viewpoint, but its grammatically incorrect, about 200 years out of date and isnt socially acurate

The definition of “a life” is for one thing varied, as are the reasons behind it

But the word “murder” is a very specific and well documented SOLITARY meaning that only fits one such taking of a life which is oddly enough when it IS, by definition classed under the legal sense as a ,,,,,,,,,, wait for it…………..murder

The rest of the time the raking of an alleged life goes by the specific name for each scenario some of which (Although not all allowed here) would include abortion, euthenasia, execution, suicide, assisted suicide, collateral damage (warfare), valid combatant fatalities (warfare again), justified/legal killing (self defence, or defence of someone else), accidental death, manslaughter, turning off the life support to someone who is ONLY brain dead (dunno the correct term for that) and a few others that I am sure I could think of if needed

ALL of those are by clinical definition the ending of a life, but NONE of them are by any rational. legal or modally accepted social definition “murder”

Thats a view held only by some quite narrow minded fanatical zealots such as yourself who lack the ability to let other people preside over their own choices, lives and bodies and seek to invasively dictate to them what YOU wnat them to do

An action that I am sure where the shoe on the other foot and someone was dictating to you what YOU should do then you would oppose it vehemently

On topics like this, as with most people related topics there isnt a “right” or “wrong”, just personal opinions and a social modal agreed view which in a democracy, or more acurately as there isnt any such thing as an actual democracy an “oligarchy” the modal view takes preceedence over any dissenting views as the majority is, or should be the deciding view

So yes I understand your statement gramatically, even to an extent the driving forces and views behind it, I also accept your right to PERSONALLY hold that view and apply it to your own body and personal choices

I dont however think its a valid social view, nor that it should be fanatically and manipulatively thrust upon people who are already in a stressful enough situation to begin with and nor do I pay any heed to the rather zealous almost religious lack of open mindedness, tolerance or respect for other equally valid views that mindsets on this sort of topic try to exert and nor do I accept you have any moral or righteous highground from which to preach from on the topic, its just a view, nothing more, and no more right or wrong than any other view on the subject except where personal choices in personal situations are concerned in which case right or wrong is decided by the individual

I would however bet that I have a better grasp of the complexities of YOUR comments than you will of mine but we cant all be open minded and well balanced eh? And message boards would be message “boreds” if it were the case lol :lol: :lol: