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@jen_jen wrote:
Maybe the non-indigenous parents will be a positive influence on the indigenous by example rather than being the disaster waiting to bring this country to its knees.
As an aside I find the notion of ‘indigenous” in the UK quite interesting as I believe the closest we get would be anyone pure Welsh, pushed away from most notable invasion points and trading points to the East. However even that is blurred because records of any invasions of what is now Wales might not have been preserved.
Anyway, if you look within more cosmopolitan cities you will find the schools, churches and other institutions with unrestricted entry maintained by people of relatively recent immigrant stock. Professions which truly promote and recruit on merit tend to be more varied although traditions of class and external social conditions make those rare.
Indeed the settlement in some economically declining areas of immigrants holding Middle Class values has helped stall and even halt that decline to some extent and sustain standards which might well have slumped had the middle class exodus into the developing suburbs been the only major demographic factor.
Unfortunately British culture – especially in media and politics – is still burdened with the association between immigration per se and deprivation, often struggling to recognise the social and economic diversity within minority ethnic communities.
@jen_jen wrote:
So how would opting out of the EU and sending all the European immigrants home help save the country?
Jen
what annoys me so much about your comments is the fact that you expect me to go back to square one and repeat things (over and over again..) that I’ve already posted.
You already know my viewpoints on east European immigration – I’ve made no secret of the fact that (in my opinion) the mass influx of immigrants will have a detrimental effect on this country’s well being – in the short term and moreso in the long term.
A lot of people (including politicians) are starting to realise this. Allowing a figure of approximately 2,000,000 east Europeans to settle in this country – the vast majority of whom are not even needed – was an incredibly shortsighted (and harmful..) decision made by Gordon Brown.
Let me re-iterate the fact (and it is a fact, despite what you’ve read..) that east Europeans do not boost our economy and never will. The opposite is true.
An independent report has stated that, over a seven-year period, the Poles living here managed to send home (to Polish bank accounts) a massive £23,000,000,000. That is money lost to our economy for good.We simply cannot afford to subsidise the Polish economy especially in these unstable economic times.
It isn’t rocket science to work out that employing British workers would not have the same effect on our economy. In fact, employing British workers (and getting them off benefits) would boost it.
If you don’t understand this basic principle Jen (and I have sincere reservations about your ability to grasp most situations) then there is not much point in debating the issue.
My advice to you is to go away and do a bit of research before you start getting into serious discussions.
And please, let me know (in your own time) how east European immigration is a good thing for this country.
@terry wrote:
I have sincere reservations about your ability to grasp most situations . . .
My advice to you is to go away and do a bit of research before you start getting into serious discussions.And please, let me know (in your own time) .Hey Tezzarolio!
I was going to lambast you for mocking my clique-buddy so sarcastically and patronisingly, but then I remember that can’t be right because you don’t like personal attacks, and you’re open-minded to debate so it must just be friendly banter – you misleading scamparoonie!
At least that saves jen_jen the trouble of pointless research, because you don’t intend ‘knowing’ anything other than what you know already, just just wanted to send her off on a wild goose chase – you good-humoured prankster you!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:You’re so busy sitting on your high horse, looking down on me whilst holding onto your fixation with the Polish, coming up with patronising put-downs, that you completely miss the point of anything I (or indeed anyone else who doesn’t agree with you) say.
In my opinion you are a bigot who presents things in a way that suits your own argument whilst ignoring anyting that counters that argument. You are so fixated on the Polish and Eastern Europeans that you are blind to the much more insidious threats to our society. Keep peddling the same argument Terry but rest assured, if this country does go down the tubes it won’t be because of the Polish and Eastern Europeans however you paint the picture.
Obsession can blind one to useful debate.
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@terry wrote:
I have sincere reservations about your ability to grasp most situations . . .
My advice to you is to go away and do a bit of research before you start getting into serious discussions.And please, let me know (in your own time) .Hey Tezzarolio!
I was going to lambast you for mocking my clique-buddy so sarcastically and patronisingly, but then I remember that can’t be right because you don’t like personal attacks, and you’re open-minded to debate so it must just be friendly banter – you misleading scamparoonie!
At least that saves jen_jen the trouble of pointless research, because you don’t intend ‘knowing’ anything other than what you know already, just just wanted to send her off on a wild goose chase – you good-humoured prankster you!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Deflecting away from the real debate (as you have) is probably a wise decision. You can’t fight a battle without bullets.
@terry wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@terry wrote:
I have sincere reservations about your ability to grasp most situations . . .
My advice to you is to go away and do a bit of research before you start getting into serious discussions.And please, let me know (in your own time) .Hey Tezzarolio!
I was going to lambast you for mocking my clique-buddy so sarcastically and patronisingly, but then I remember that can’t be right because you don’t like personal attacks, and you’re open-minded to debate so it must just be friendly banter – you misleading scamparoonie!
At least that saves jen_jen the trouble of pointless research, because you don’t intend ‘knowing’ anything other than what you know already, just just wanted to send her off on a wild goose chase – you good-humoured prankster you!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Deflecting away from the real debate (as you have) is probably a wise decision. You can’t fight a battle without bullets.
Terrotactile! My old Kemosabe!
If I used bullets that wouldn’t be a fair fight. You don’t use real bullets, you never open your sources to scrutiny and you wander aimlessly around the numerical hinterland throwing around big numbers in as if no one here can divide by ten.
I’ve not been able to find any record of numbers as high as two million reflecting the impact of recent total immigration, never mind eastern european immigration – are you including every eastern european ever to enter the country? have you factored for those who leave? If these are trustworthy estimates, what are the assumptions behind them. If you can show how my research is deficient, rather than just make bland assertions then this might look like combat, but really Terry, you’re just joshing aren’t you?
A tenner says you never will, but nntil then Terry, let’s keep it light,
Don’t make me serious, you don’t like me when I’m serious . . . . . . . .
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@jen_jen wrote:
You’re so busy sitting on your high horse, looking down on me whilst holding onto your fixation with the Polish, coming up with patronising put-downs, that you completely miss the point of anything I (or indeed anyone else who doesn’t agree with you) say.
In my opinion you are a bigot who presents things in a way that suits your own argument whilst ignoring anyting that counters that argument. You are so fixated on the Polish and Eastern Europeans that you are blind to the much more insidious threats to our society. Keep peddling the same argument Terry but rest assured, if this country does go down the tubes it won’t be because of the Polish and Eastern Europeans however you paint the picture.
Obsession can blind one to useful debate.
Jen
you remind me of a politician who has been caught fiddling his/her expenses claim and has been suddenly put on the spot to explain yourself.
Describing someone as a “bigot” is a dangerous (and totally misleading..) card to play with me because it simply isn’t true. It is also a personal attack and attempt to deflect away from the real debate that’s going on here.
Gordon Brown used that tactic when he ‘put down’ a voter who he’d met in the street before the last election.. She’d dared to question why he was allowing east Europeans to come into the country en masse (something we were all wondering about) and why we weren’t allowed to voice an opinion about it.
Gordon Brown’s response – a negative one ,like yours cost him the election. He simply didn’t want to discuss it so he fought dirty. A bit like you’re doing now.
I don’t dislike Poles – I’ve met, dined, conversed and even added some to facebook. My “obsession” with east Europeans is more to do with economic values than racial ones.
All I want is for you to tell me why east European migrants are beneficial to this country’s economy.
@terry wrote:
All I want is for you to tell me why east European migrants are beneficial to this country’s economy.
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You drew the lines remember, ‘we’ are the emotional clique, all ‘we’ are here for is to smugly pat each other on the back!!
Reason!???? We don’t need no stinkin’ reasons!
And didn’t you indicate earlier that jen-jen was not worth the bother? So why are you bothering her? We’ve got some important emoting to do! The future of the PC Brigade depends on our triumvirate!
You on the other hand, are rational, factual, and all things in heaven and earth appear bound by your imagination. I might be wrong about that, but your authoritative style makes an impression.
Unequal states I know, but as you have indicated that ‘we’ are less capable of reason or logic, perhaps before asking one of ‘us’ to justify our assertions, you could demonstrate more clearly, perhaps with footnotes, what an acceptable justification looks like.
I won’t hold my breath, because I have a medical condition that makes breathing essential to life. And I won’t hold it against you if you fail to do so, you’re only human after all . . . .
PS to Terreszek
Just because Gordon Brown lost the election doesn’t mean the woman wasn’t a bigot.
I’m surprised you seem to suggest that jen_jen modify her comments for the sake of popularity.
And I hope your eastern european acquaintances are pleased to be presented as your Certificate of Non-Bigotry . . . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
ooooooooeeerrrrrrrr, anyone else allowed to make a comment? hmmm don’t think so, will leave it up to you three! :D
btw you are all basically saying/argueing the same thing, but in a different way – just thought I would point that out! :lol:
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