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@terry wrote:
@pepsi wrote:
@terry wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
Sorry, I’ve been taken to task here on these boards about facts and source, now it’s your turn.
Where is it stated as a fact Terry?
P.S. I don’t jog anywhere :wink:
Sorry jen, but you’ve never actually relied on facts to get your point across. And if you can’t jog then get yourself a zimmer frame.
Not nice … [-X
I agree, but I feel so much better having posted it.
I’m so glad that getting personal makes you feel better…says it all.
@jen_jen wrote:
I once thought you were . . . capable of debate…it seems I was sadly mistaken.
He is capable, he chooses not to.
The subject is still worth addressing. Although we have come a long way from a photograph of some well-dressed, well-behaved children 8) :lol: 8) :lol: 8) :lol:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
When the country was .. outside the EU .. we had wars, famines, poverty, crime, massacres.
Okay, so being a member (inside the EU..) has meant we don’t get involved in wars anymore.
And there’s been an end to crime too. Hmm..ok.
If you want to believe that then that’s entirely up to you. :roll:
@jen_jen wrote:
I once thought you were open minded and capable of debate…it seems I was sadly mistaken.
I am open-minded and capable of debate, but (unfortunately) there’s only so much of your nonsense that I can tolerate.
Every post you make just goes to prove how “sadly mistaken” you really are.
@wordsworth60 wrote:
@panda12 wrote:
. . . . this scoiety. It is doomed to fail. . . . . a hopeless situation. . . . heading for disaster. . . .
Disaster is by no means inevitable.
Is it a matter of numbers? Even If the country is crowded despite the huge amounts of empty space it contains, then isn’t a crowded country where people get on well together a very different kettle of fish from an emptier country where people are at each other’s throats?
When the country was emptier (and outside the EU) and presumably more homogenous, we had wars, famines, poverty, crime, massacres, pestilence, natural and manufactured disasters which make the last 50 years by comparison look like shangri-la.
Indeed historically it wouldn’t be far-fetched to link increasing immigration with increased peace and prosperity. Especially when you consider that we can no longer simply export our criminals and social misfits to other countries.
Terry I understand your feeling that Gordon Brown was to blame, but predictions of disaster linked to relatively multi-ethnic population have been a feature of our political landscape for centuries before Gordon Brown was born Unfortunately the ensuing panics have caused far more misery than the impact of the immigrants.
Bearing in mind what the Saxons did to the Britons, it’s little wonder that fear of immigration is deeply entrenched in the national psyche. However our contact with the rest of the world, although it goes back over millennia, has increased manifold in the last 500 years and the equation immigration = disaster is far too simplistic in a world of global economics and politics.
As for membership of the EU, unless exit per se can absolutely guarantee greater benefits for Britain, we would just be swapping shared disadvantages for indigenous ones. We would be entering unknown territory at the mercy of the same calibre of politicians and business people, as the world has changed greatly since the 1960s.
Disaster would be no more uncertain than if we remained.
Hey! That’s not my quote! That’s Terry’s! I know how to spell society!
Edit your quote code, plz Words!
@desmondy wrote:
@j_in_france wrote:
Colonialsism was alright when it was the UK painting the world map red but the spin off has to be accepted. My father in law came to the UK in the 50’s from India though he is of Irish descent and his ancestor’s were in the British Army.
Its a shame when interesting discussions come down to statements like that. If you know your history you will know that Britain was one of many ‘colonial’ powers. Aspects of it are nothing to be proud of whereas some are.
Can we not debate matters that affect us NOW without constantly being beaten around the head with the PAST??
No country and no set of people of any race or religion are without their histories, murky or otherwise!
The thread started with “A photograph of students from a Birmingham school and an indication of the language divide that exists there.”
Which other colonial powers would be relevant to the ensuing discussion?
Why would reference to the history that predates Gordon Brown’s premiership become a beating round the head?
Why should J avoid reference to his ancestry?
Wouldn’t a conscious avoidance of “the PAST” treat the UK as if it was a country without a (murky or otherwise) history?
If as a nation we are to own our true glories and their benefits, then we must know and acknowledge enough of our true shames and their consequences to be able to distinguish between the two. What we do as a result can then be a responsible decision rather than an insecure reaction.
If you wish to make the process more painful than it needs to be, then you are entitled to make that choice. But if you choose to headbutt the wall of history, please realise it was you who beat yourself around the head with it.
@terry wrote:
@wordsworth60 wrote:
When the country was .. outside the EU .. we had wars, famines, poverty, crime, massacres.
Okay, so being a member (inside the EU..) has meant we don’t get involved in wars anymore.
And there’s been an end to crime too. Hmm..ok.
If you want to believe that then that’s entirely up to you. :roll:
You are right Terry, it would be up to me to believe that there has been an end to crime. I choose not to believe it though. I apologise for not making the relative nature of my statement more apparent.
@terry wrote:
@jen_jen wrote:
I once thought you were open minded and capable of debate…it seems I was sadly mistaken.
I am open-minded and capable of debate, but (unfortunately) there’s only so much of your nonsense that I can tolerate.
Every post you make just goes to prove how “sadly mistaken” you really are.
Capable, but apparently unwilling to demonstrate it.
I actually think that even if Jen, Jen is wrong in her conclusions, the majority of her posts would show her as being quite happily mistaken . . . . . :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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