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will of the people my bum lol
what made this an exceptional case was the constitutional significance of defining the powers of executive privilege. Threats of rape or murder, threats to stalk online bullying are all unacceptable.
Despite these, she went all the way and won.
Jo Cox was a VIP too. Didn’t protect her. Her brutal killing has made a lot of people nervous.
Not our Gina Good gal!
The people voted brexit ergo the will of the people as for comparing the nut job who killed Jo Cox with some keyboard warrior troll is just obscene to be honest
will of the people my bum, Pete.
36% of the electorate voted to leave. 36% – NOT the will of the people.
Of those voting to leave, many wanted to curb immigration, while others wanted to extend the pool of immigration.
Many wanted to wrap themselves inside the Union Jack even if it led to poverty. Others not so sure. Many voted to leave, but were and are willing to change their minds if things go bad.
many want to leave now, no matter what. Others are more than willing to tiptoe out, making sure that all is well and safe with their job, their bank accounts, their house mortgage, their safety before leaping out. NOT the will of the people.
The right-wing Tories/UKIP crowd are NOT the voice of the people, but they are claiming to be the voice of the people. They have the bit between their teeth now, and are leading us all out at an impossible pace.
If all turns out well, then fine. I for one will breathe a sigh of relief.
If, as I suspect, just if things do not turn out so well, then brave people like Gina, and persistent people like the lawyers in Dublin, will be seen as representing the will of the people much more than the right-wing warriors high-fiving us and flag-waving us into the unknown world of wondrous woo.
*ps read about the Jo Cox part more carefully, Pete. It’s a very serious point. More than half of female MPs feel distinctly alarmed by her murder. The onlne trolls can frighten people because of that nutjob, and they know how. Think of how a stalker works. The stalker isn’t a killer or a rapist; the stalker just stalks. The fear enegendered is intense.
will of the people my bum, Pete. 36% of the electorate voted to leave. 36% – NOT the will of the people.
The will of the people has spoken.
Of those voting to leave, many wanted to curb immigration, while others wanted to extend the pool of immigration.
Curb unskilled immigration, extend the pool of skilled immigration.
The right-wing Tories/UKIP crowd are NOT the voice of the people, but they are claiming to be the voice of the people. They have the bit between their teeth now, and are leading us all out at an impossible pace.
Then tell me, who is the true voice of the people?
Is it not the votes of the individual people who the voice belongs to?
And what of the Labour-Leave campaign, were they also right-wing?
I agree it is obscene, but it didn’t stop him politicizing Jo Cox’s death before he knew all the facts regarding her murder, at the time of her death and before she was even buried and so it certainly won’t stop him trying to score cheap points now.
Article 50 can’t be halted and of course it should have been challenged in court to clarify the role of parliament but to suggest this MP is a heroine compared to the countless thousands of other women who are “trolled” on a daily basis, is clearly ludicrous. If anything it points out that the judiciary and the political establishment give favorable treatment to their own, as those suspected of the most vicious threats, were arrested almost immediately. One even lived in Knightsbridge ffs, the worlds poshest troll.
A ‘heroine’ is a description of someone who would have fought tooth and nail previously in parliament, against all the odds, to introduce legislation that clamps down on the misogynist hatred all women and girls encounter, who are victims of trolling online, or misogynist hatred anywhere else. That would be progress, attempting to specifically halt the implemention of Article 50 and the terms of it, isn’t progress at all.
Sorry, SHR, the facts are what they are. The nutjob was a Nazi who who was jailed for murder.
Jo Cox’s death has frightened a lot of people in the public realm. That is a fact. The online trolls who threaten to rape and murder are the equivalent of stalkers.
er Gin is not an MP. Sorry to correct you. A bravfe woman, though. Oh yes. And a very important one. She’ll figure in constitutional history when we are all long dead.
More than half of female MPs feel distinctly alarmed by her murder. The onlne trolls can frighten people because of that nutjob, and they know how. Think of how a stalker works. The stalker isn’t a killer or a rapist; the stalker just stalks. The fear enegendered is intense.
Scep, why do you keep comparing the glory seeking busy body to MP’s?
She’s as much an MP as any of us. 
drac, you seem to be obsessed with odd maps which don’t prove anything.
I said that 36% of the electorate voted to leave. You’re getting confused witht he voters.
52% of voters voted to elave, for many different reasons. They may well change their minds, and whether they do or not lies in the future.
52% of the voters, 36% of the electorate. There is a difference. The voice of the people would refer to the electorate, and it ain’t decisive, certainly not for leaving now.
There is n o true voice of the people on this issue. just a bunch of scoundrels who claim to be the people, and characterise their enemies as the enemies of the people.
The labour remainers are like everyone else. Not a simple left-right divide. ken Calrke has emerges as a star in all this – a Tory remainer. Many Labour remainers were Blairite; others not. Clive Lewis, the shadow business secretary, is a very left-wing remainer.
drac, you seem to be obsessed with odd maps which don’t prove anything. I said that 36% of the electorate voted to leave. You’re getting confused witht he voters. 52% of voters voted to elave, for many different reasons. They may well change their minds, and whether they do or not lies in the future. 52% of the voters, 36% of the electorate. There is a difference. The voice of the people would refer to the electorate, and it ain’t decisive, certainly not for leaving now.
People who chose not to vote do not count.
Did you make the same argument when Labour won a general election in 2005 with 22% of the electorate backing them
Brexit has more legitimacy than Tony Blair’s government even by your own logic.
drac, you seem to be obsessed with odd maps which don’t prove anything. I said that 36% of the electorate voted to leave. You’re getting confused witht he voters. 52% of voters voted to elave, for many different reasons. They may well change their minds, and whether they do or not lies in the future. 52% of the voters, 36% of the electorate. There is a difference. The voice of the people would refer to the electorate, and it ain’t decisive, certainly not for leaving now.
People who chose not to vote do not count. Did you make the same argument when Labour won a general election in 2005 with 22% of the electorate backing them
I never claimed that Labour in 2005 was teh voice of the people. I don’t claim that for any government, not even those elected by landslides, like Labour in 1945 or Thatcher in the 1980s.
people who don’t vote don’t count. What an incredible statement to make.
They count in every sense. As abstainers, they passively allow one side to win and one side to lose.
As the people, they’re as much the people as anyone else. 36% of the electorate is not the voice of the people, any more than a government is.
Some scoundrels claim to be the voice of the people, and that thos who disagree wiht them don’t count. Now that is a different matter. That is politics, not the actual voice of the people.
“We are the people of England, and we have not spoken yet”
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